You know I was at lunch after the rally at the Capital and a guy there referred to the same thing. That RME folks had attitude and was too full of hard core rig people. That would be a shame to run people off no matter what they're driving. Lots of great people out there and life is too short to be a dick.
Gen-Right High Fender Kit
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I think that RME has a great group of people on it. From time to time you see that smart a!! comment but you just have to shrug it off. Some people just have to try to prove a point I guess:-\
It's your build, you pay the gas, do it however you want, it's all supposed to be for fun anyway, not looking cool on the web.
Or just do what I have done a lot of lately, if I have a question I pin point the person I think could help me the most and I PM them. I have had great help from the good people at RME. I just feel dumb asking the questions so I do it privately.
It's your build, you pay the gas, do it however you want, it's all supposed to be for fun anyway, not looking cool on the web.
Or just do what I have done a lot of lately, if I have a question I pin point the person I think could help me the most and I PM them. I have had great help from the good people at RME. I just feel dumb asking the questions so I do it privately.
If we are here to get along, maybe the best step would be for people to grow a thicker skin and not take everything about their rig so personal. I guess I should have said wannabe or poseur then maybe I would be bordering the immature dickhead status. I'd hate to see what happened if such people took things so seriously when they visit pirate. The problem we have now days is that everyone claims they are offended. I'm not worried about stepping on toes a little here and there. Less people should be. Maybe I would be a dick if I attacked someone, but I didn't.
Relax, I'm not trying to pick on you DAA, just hoping a fellow jeeper will take my opinion into consideration on his purchase rather than go your route, the AEV is nice looking but overpriced, impracticle, and provides no protection.
I'm simply offering my opinion. And if this guy is a progressing jeeper he would more likely spend his money twice once he realizes that spending that much money for fragile sheet metal is a rip off and moves to tubed fenders. I say if it costs the same or less to make it more capable, then make it more capable.
I wasn't hardcore when I rolled my rig, nor would I consider my self hardcore now. I simply wish I had tube fenders at the time I rolled.
Relax, I'm not trying to pick on you DAA, just hoping a fellow jeeper will take my opinion into consideration on his purchase rather than go your route, the AEV is nice looking but overpriced, impracticle, and provides no protection.
I'm simply offering my opinion. And if this guy is a progressing jeeper he would more likely spend his money twice once he realizes that spending that much money for fragile sheet metal is a rip off and moves to tubed fenders. I say if it costs the same or less to make it more capable, then make it more capable.
I wasn't hardcore when I rolled my rig, nor would I consider my self hardcore now. I simply wish I had tube fenders at the time I rolled.
Most importantly to note is that this IS NOT pirates, don't compare it to pirate because it's not and never will be.
Back to the original discussion, to say the AEV is over-priced is ridiculous. It's $200 more than the Gen-Right kit. But that $200 includes a nice heat reduction hood. The the Gen-Right kit you get to either pay another $5-600 on an AEV hood, or hack your stock hood. Just because someone doesn't beat their rigs, does not mean they can't wheel with the best of them. So saying if they are serious, they will want tube fenders is not true at all. That's like saying, if you're a true wheeler then you must have a buggy. Again, not true at all. Point is, some people like the clean sleeper look, some have small ***** syndrome and must advertise to the world that they are a badass.
(I kid )Again, that is your opinion. A good friend of mine put the AEV high fender kit on and absolutely loves it, and he wheels the sh$t out of it also. He can run 40s with a 4" or 5" lift. That's what's works for him and the type of wheeling he does. I've driven it a few times and it's a riot. Oh yeah, it has a Hemi also.
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- Grand Junction, CO
Spidey, most of what has been said isn't directed at you specifically, just the turn this thread took. Same goes for the following...
There is a fine balance between ribbing someone out of fun and pushing your opinion on them. Sadly with the internet it's hard to read emotions and expressions.
RME is focused on the more-hardcore side of things and there is nothing wrong with being proud of your own rig that you have put together that function's exceptionally well offroad. Personally I have a problem when someone comes on here with a big-time cocky attitude, thinking they can bully everyone into thinking their opinion is the only way to go. Many guys have been banned for acting like that.
Many of us have known each other for years, RME has been around for almost 9 yrs now and many of us are best of friends and have spent much trail-time together. There may seem like some rude people but IMO most of the time it's just friendly teasing.
That being said, there's nothing wrong with having a basic rig with smaller tires and stock axles. As long as your interest is getting outdoors and exploring trails you've never ran before or pushing you & your rig to the limit, it's all good. Those guys are welcome here just like everyone else.
I've recently downsized from my TJ on 40's and Dana 60's to a stock-ish Toyota Landcruiser. I might get some ribbing for it, but it's all good. As long as I'm out wheeling, I'm happy. Who cares what others think. In the end as long as you are happy with your choices, why does it matter. Build your rig how you like, use it how you like, run the trails that you like and forget about the folks with the big egos.
As I understand DAA is more of a desert explorer who probably spends more time 'offroad' than many of us. From what I've gathered he likes to run the occasional challenging trail too, but isn't looking for the best possible hood/fender protection from Helldorado. Different strokes for different folks, nothing wrong with that.
There is a fine balance between ribbing someone out of fun and pushing your opinion on them. Sadly with the internet it's hard to read emotions and expressions.
RME is focused on the more-hardcore side of things and there is nothing wrong with being proud of your own rig that you have put together that function's exceptionally well offroad. Personally I have a problem when someone comes on here with a big-time cocky attitude, thinking they can bully everyone into thinking their opinion is the only way to go. Many guys have been banned for acting like that.
Many of us have known each other for years, RME has been around for almost 9 yrs now and many of us are best of friends and have spent much trail-time together. There may seem like some rude people but IMO most of the time it's just friendly teasing.
That being said, there's nothing wrong with having a basic rig with smaller tires and stock axles. As long as your interest is getting outdoors and exploring trails you've never ran before or pushing you & your rig to the limit, it's all good. Those guys are welcome here just like everyone else.
I've recently downsized from my TJ on 40's and Dana 60's to a stock-ish Toyota Landcruiser. I might get some ribbing for it, but it's all good. As long as I'm out wheeling, I'm happy. Who cares what others think. In the end as long as you are happy with your choices, why does it matter. Build your rig how you like, use it how you like, run the trails that you like and forget about the folks with the big egos.
As I understand DAA is more of a desert explorer who probably spends more time 'offroad' than many of us. From what I've gathered he likes to run the occasional challenging trail too, but isn't looking for the best possible hood/fender protection from Helldorado. Different strokes for different folks, nothing wrong with that.
Most importantly to note is that this IS NOT pirates, don't compare it to pirate because it's not and never will be.
Back to the original discussion, to say the AEV is over-priced is ridiculous. It's $200 more than the Gen-Right kit. But that $200 includes a nice heat reduction hood. The the Gen-Right kit you get to either pay another $5-600 on an AEV hood, or hack your stock hood. Just because someone doesn't beat their rigs, does not mean they can't wheel with the best of them. So saying if they are serious, they will want tube fenders is not true at all. That's like saying, if you're a true wheeler then you must have a buggy. Again, not true at all. Point is, some people like the clean sleeper look, some have small ***** syndrome and must advertise to the world that they are a badass.
What are the prices you're comparing between Gen-Right and AEV? It sounds like you're looking at a kit that includes rear high-fender tube flares, rear corner guards, or whatever....where the AEV kit has a hood, front fenders, and flares.
Off their websites, $1700 for the Gen-Right, $1900 for the AEV
Right....I'm guessing the Gen-Right $1700 package is front tube fenders, rear full corner guards, rocker guards, and rear tube flares. (or something like that) The AEV is front fenders, a hood, and plastic flares on all 4 corners.
It's not apples to apples, is all I'm sayin'. They both have their places.
Exactly, that's my point as well. Not everyone wants tube fenders, or need rocker/corner protection.
You nailed it! 1 That's exactly what I was trying for
It's all good though. I had kind of forgotten that I don't post here - thanks for reminding me!
- DAA
1-percieved offense. response with sarcasm as form of attack due to overreaction.
2-if you dont plan on rolling it, 'cause thats how you wheel, then save weight and ditch the roll bar. But its not wise to assume you wont ever roll. ask me how I know, I use to have a sleeper jeep the kind you like.
3-Im glad he built the jeep the way he wants it. I was confirming what the individual already stated, that the AEV kit wouldn't fill his needs.
4- a response with an attack by assuming I am a "kid on some website".
5-Nice victimization of an one's own self to claim rape when no one has really made a serious offense. This same kind of attitude is what keeps the sueing lawyers in million dollar homes.
If you are wheeling I believe it is irresponsible to assume you wont roll.
I'm being attacked back. And you guys jump on with attacks.
I thought this was an "extreme" forum. That while welcoming newbies and beginners stayed true to its roots. I did not think this site catered to mall crawling where an AEV kit would be more appropriate and safe.
IF YOU READ, what was said by the author of the thread, I was simply confirming his choice and agreeing with him. If Supergper and DAA had actually read his opinions and goals instead of being so eager to spew out their owns opinions, then you would see that they missed his objective of not only clearance, but also protection! He also stated his opinion that AEV is overpriced. So I'm gathering it ok to state your opinion, but not contradict somebody's input that was pointless in a thread after they didn't read the poster's ideas?
Another question, since I do have some experience and know-how which is safely stated as more than most on this forum, it appears that I might step on toes and offend the regulars, for being a moderate wheeler that acts like he knows something once in awhile. Should I just keep quiet, it appears that more serious wheeling opinions aren't welcome here?
Is is protocol that we have to protect the novice? To say RME has hardcore attitude is ridiculous, people are very tame here. I almost wonder if that's why people rarely speak up. I started in forum's when I was a newb and appreciated it when guys knocked me up side the head when I had a bone head idea and also when my ideas where good so I would dedicate more thought to the subject. This is the most tame jeep forum out there. Is it protocol to not put start a fight, but jump on a bandwagon if a fight is easily blamed on someone else? That's the impression i've been given by a few on this thread, but it dosen't ring true to the site in general so no I wont give up on RME.
Are we jeepers that have opinions and are willing to knock someone's ideas once in a while or are we a bunch a of fragile ego whiners that can handle someone ripping on an idea we have.
Carl nailed it's not apples and apples. And the original poster never wanted and AEV mall crawl special. the gen-right kit takes more work to build, and lasts longer. It's price is more justified. AEV stays in business because of poseur jeepers and I dont like 'em. They annoy me, always have. Most give jeeping a bad public image and do stupid things on trails. Its the modern chrome wielding crew reborn from the 90's. If DAA is a desert dweller all he has to say is just that, that is fine, but when we a usually speak about rock crawling we dont have to cater to the minority and walk on egg shells when he dosent inform us. The poster isn't looking to desert road it, he's obviously looking to crawl in rocks.
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Exactly, that's my point as well. Not everyone wants tube fenders, or need rocker/corner protection.
So why did you bring up the AEV kit? Espescially when he stated he wanted protection?
Maybe you should have read what he wants. not what you think looks good.
Life is also too short to act like a victim and call everyone a dick when that's not their point. If I was ripping on his personal life or work or family or trying to rip him off then I would be a dick, but I knocked his AEV kit.
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*sigh*.... gotta love the internets.
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- Grand Junction, CO
From what I see there were responses to what you said, nobody was coming down hard on you and I really don't see why you need to defend yourself. Hence my *sigh*.
I stick to what I've said, you can have a hardcore rig and not be a prick about it. RME is full of guys that I'd consider hardcore and they are as friendly as can be. No big attitude, no cocky ego. It does piss me off that new or quieter members get chased off. DAA has been putting together an upcoming trip that I'll be joining him on and from that he seems like a very valuable member to have on RME. Seeing him chased off here because of a difference of opinion does make me sad, IMO this place doesn't need to be like that.
I think the root of the problem is that DAA has the AEV kit and is quite happy with it, while you obviously have a strong dis-like for AEV & their customers. Making generalized comments about their customers doesn't help you IMO. You've both expressed your opinion and disagree... good for you both. Now can we move on?
WOW... All this over which stupid fenders to run... WOW again.
Ok. so I dunno really what to say.
Trying to keep the peace...... Take 1...............
DAA, Your right about the Aev fenders they are a good choice. I think that they would dent in a roll like spidey sad, but hey chicks dig body damage and I do like "sleeper look" and theres nothing wrong with that.
(p.s. I am not attacking you)
Spidey, you are also right. The genrights are a good choice too. BUT, if you are pushing toward being the " super hardcore" wheeler, are fenders important?
(p.s. I am not attacking you either.)
I go to the mall in my wifes jeep (cause mine still on jack stands). Thats right I mall crawl the crap outta that thing, I LOVE speed bumps, but it's also wheeled most or all of the "hardcore" trails in utah, south dakota, minnesota and indiana and other places I can't remember.
So please tell me i am an unexperienced mall crawler....................... I like it.:greg:
so can we please all just be friends... for the childrens sake...PLEASE.
All this over which stupid fenders to run... WOW again. Ok. so I dunno really what to say.
Trying to keep the peace...... Take 1...............
DAA, Your right about the Aev fenders they are a good choice. I think that they would dent in a roll like spidey sad, but hey chicks dig body damage and I do like "sleeper look" and theres nothing wrong with that.
(p.s. I am not attacking you)
Spidey, you are also right. The genrights are a good choice too. BUT, if you are pushing toward being the " super hardcore" wheeler, are fenders important?
(p.s. I am not attacking you either.)
I go to the mall in my wifes jeep (cause mine still on jack stands). Thats right I mall crawl the crap outta that thing, I LOVE speed bumps, but it's also wheeled most or all of the "hardcore" trails in utah, south dakota, minnesota and indiana and other places I can't remember.
So please tell me i am an unexperienced mall crawler....................... I like it.:greg:
so can we please all just be friends... for the childrens sake...PLEASE.
TJDukit
I.Y.A.A.Y.A.S.
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- Clearfield
Spidey you nailed it. While I do enjoy the looks of the AEV kit, I'm looking for practicallity and for me that includes being able to make a mistake on the trail and hit few rocks and not do thousands of dollars worth of damage. The Gen-Right kit would give me the clearance I need for tires, give me the body protection I need on the trail and keep my COG low enough that I feel safe driving and wheeling with my daughter in the Jeep which is number one in my book. I didn't get into rock crawling until about 4 years ago when I bought my first TJ, I've been hooked ever since and I would love to raise my daughter with the opportunity to love it as much as I do from the start. I'm not interested in fancy looks or having anybody but myself and maybe some friends do installs on my Jeep, I just can't justify the money it would cost to have anything professionally done aside from critical welding jobs. I plan on "starting" my jeep for under $10000 and it looks to me like the Gen-Right kit is the right way to go for me.
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- West Bountiful, UT
Holy crap...
I have not read all this yet. But... holy crap...
I felt like I had made a mistake posting into this thread. And said so. But... No big whoop. It ain't no big deal. Not to me. And it shouldn't be to anyone else, either. I really DO appreciate the support that has been shown, but, I'm a big boy, I came wandering in here running my pie hole, when I already knew better, so I shouldn't be whining when it goes like I would have expected. Spidey took a swipe simply because he doesn't like my kind, and I took the bait. My bad. So...
Spidey - I GIVE man - you WIN. Whatever I said to set you off, I'm sorry I opened my mouth. Life is just way too short to sweat this kind of stuff.
But, just to be clear, there really isn't much actual disgreement here. I DID say, in my first post, that for someone wanting protection, the Genright setup is a better choice. I looked at both the Genright and the high clearance tube fenders that Rokmen is working on before I went with the AEV. For me and what I do, I think the AEV kit is a better choice. Flops do happen though. And if one happens to me, I'll be pretty grouchy about having to replace those AEV parts. But, this hobby is definitely a pay to play kind of deal, you pays your money and you takes your chances...
Anway... PEACE.
- DAA
I have not read all this yet. But... holy crap...
I felt like I had made a mistake posting into this thread. And said so. But... No big whoop. It ain't no big deal. Not to me. And it shouldn't be to anyone else, either. I really DO appreciate the support that has been shown, but, I'm a big boy, I came wandering in here running my pie hole, when I already knew better, so I shouldn't be whining when it goes like I would have expected. Spidey took a swipe simply because he doesn't like my kind, and I took the bait. My bad. So...
Spidey - I GIVE man - you WIN. Whatever I said to set you off, I'm sorry I opened my mouth. Life is just way too short to sweat this kind of stuff.
But, just to be clear, there really isn't much actual disgreement here. I DID say, in my first post, that for someone wanting protection, the Genright setup is a better choice. I looked at both the Genright and the high clearance tube fenders that Rokmen is working on before I went with the AEV. For me and what I do, I think the AEV kit is a better choice. Flops do happen though. And if one happens to me, I'll be pretty grouchy about having to replace those AEV parts. But, this hobby is definitely a pay to play kind of deal, you pays your money and you takes your chances...
Anway... PEACE.
- DAA
TJDukit
I.Y.A.A.Y.A.S.
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It keeps getting better the Gen-right kit has dropped $250, starting price of $1449.99.