healthcare vote

Tacoma

Et incurventur ante non
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far enough away
I've been watching the circus on CSpan for a couple minutes when I come in the house today, and I am amazed at some of the ridiculous behavior or these people, on both sides, but mostly from Dems? It's incredible, some of the petty rudeness and smarm. :(

The vote itself is probably going to go the wrong way, and that's why I'm trying not to watch this historic rape of the nation. :mad:


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jackjoh

Jack - KC6NAR
Supporting Member
Location
Riverton, UT
Agreed, I have sent letters, telephoned and e-mailed but it seems like the die is cast. It looks like Matheson will not have to vote for it so they must have enough votes (for the "deem and pass") without him.
 

TonyM

Charlie don't surf
Location
Alaska
Congratulations America! We have just nationalized/socialized 1/6 of our economy in health care!!! Whats next.... Banks? Auto? Financial institutes?....


oh wait... :mad:


Wait... what country is this?
 
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TonyM

Charlie don't surf
Location
Alaska
Wait... what country is this....? Pretty sad when that answer to that question is becomes "Complicated"...
 

Ogre Palowakski

Active Member
Location
Gym basement
I always wanted to go to medical school and even took the MCAT recently. Maybe I should go now. Not many people will want to become doctors since I'm sure the salaries will decrease. If the cost of medical school also decreases than it's a win - for me anyway.

That said, say goodbye to good healthcare. I've experienced socialized medicine before and it sucks a$$.
 

TonyM

Charlie don't surf
Location
Alaska
I always wanted to go to medical school and even took the MCAT recently. Maybe I should go now. Not many people will want to become doctors since I'm sure the salaries will decrease. If the cost of medical school also decreases than it's a win - for me anyway.

That said, say goodbye to good healthcare. I've experienced socialized medicine before and it sucks a$$.

I know right? The real victims here are wealthy Canadians.... where will they go for their health care now :mad:
 

MPM

Member
Location
Pagosa Springs
I guess that Mr. Obama has earned his estimated $20 million that he took for his campaign from health care companies and different pharmaceutical companies.
 
I do my best to keep up with what is going on, but I am ashamed to say I am bit lost on this one. What is the synopsis of the changes we should expect?....besides the whole getting raped part. The one part I paid attention to and am upset about is the Abortion issue. I would have felt better had they agreed to put in the bill that federal funds could not go towards abortions. The dem from Michigan was pushing for this but lost out.
 

MPM

Member
Location
Pagosa Springs
What we really need to do is get a lot of the bigger companies like Catipiller and such to close their doors, because they won't be able to offset the over $100 million that it will cost them to provide health care for their employs. Then they will have to send the x number of people to the welfare offices and get the dumb a$$ government to cover their expenses!! Maybe then the morons will get a clue that they haven't saved themselves a dime! Sorry, maybe I'm a bit pissed off at the lunacy of our government!
 
My take on it is its really not a whole lot worse than what we already have and actually might improve it. When you look at the actual package it basically keeps things the way they are, there is no actual government run program, it just requires that all people have health insurance with an accredited insurer. This means for 90% of America nothing changes, I really don't understand what people are so up in arms about.

If you don't have insurance you are retard, one dink to the head by accident and you could end up $30,000 in debt or worse whether you had anything to do with it or not. It is way worse than not having car insurance. It is also literally the most mild health care bill possible.

Since about '02 health care costs have increased 800%. This problem really should have been taken care of in the 90s before it got as bad as it has, also related to the ambulance chaser industry that really does need to be reigned in (this is my Republican voice talking). I went to the ER in July last year and was charged $76 a minute that I was there (20 minutes of waiting) or $126 a stitch, by IHC, which is supposedly an "efficient" and fairly low cost HMO compared to the national average. I spent nearly $5G an healthcare costs in 2009, and I am 31 year old totally healthy normal American, and that is F'd up...

Honestly I consider myself pretty bipartisan these days and I think the arguments against this one were really off and extremely partisan which made this a hotly contested one when honestly it was as good as it possibly could have been. I really think you guys have your blinders on because it is "Obama" and honestly that is a weakness not a strength..

For me w/ no health insurance from an employer, not a damn thing will change for me personally except I no longer have to deal with "preexisting conditions" BS, and that's it... I am currently trying to get scammed by my health insurance provider on "preexisting conditions" though I have been with them for over 2 years. They have sent me letters asking for documentation on every single doctor's visit and prescription I've gotten in the last five years. Total bs... I pay for my own insurance at about $114 a month until my insurance company increased it 19% this year for no reason at all other than some stitches here and there, and that is bs...

My $.02...
 
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Bobzilla

Active Member
Location
Loma Colorado
Kick em out in November

Yea, we just let them worthless SOB's take us further down the road to socialism and losing control of our more of our rights & freedoms.:confused:

Kick their butts outta office for their straight line partizen vote, they deserve get thrown under the bus now!!!!!!:mad:

They meaning on both sides of the fence, they all need a good hard toed boot in the nuts.

Not you Nancy you need a cheap face lift done down in Mexico with a die grinder and a sledge hammer, and some bondo, ha ha ha ha real healthcare for you.:rofl:

So vote em out in November, no excuses vote vote vote vote, and God Bless America & God Bless our Troops!!!!!!!!!!
 

rockreligious

NoEcoNaziAmmo
Location
Ephraim
I can understand why dslcrzrhead is for the healthcare bill having pre-exitsting conditions, but I believe that they could have worked out a plan for the few that cant buy insurance or cover procedures denied by pre-conditions and not revamp the whole healthcare industry for the worst. and I guess healthcare is now a RIGHT..news to me, I guess food, clothing, and shelter are also now a right, and our government will be expected to provide us all with those things too. I have health insurance, I hate the fact that the government can force me to have it.
 
I can understand why dslcrzrhead is for the healthcare bill having pre-exitsting conditions, but I believe that they could have worked out a plan for the few that cant buy insurance or cover procedures denied by pre-conditions and not revamp the whole healthcare industry for the worst.

See that is what I am trying to say, they didn't revamp the healthcare industry in the slightest, they just made it illegal to pull off a lot of the hanky panky they were pulling like preexisting conditions...

You guys really need to read this article called
"A Major Victory, but at What Cost?"
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/22/health/policy/22assess.html?hp

Is is a pretty non partisan look at the effects of it all. What I'm talking about is this quote here:

“They wanted to run against a caricature of it rather than the real bill. Now let them tell a child with a pre-existing condition, ‘We don’t think you should be covered.’ ”


I don't want to talk about it too much and everyone is entitled to their own opinions so this is really all I have to say about it. But that is my opinion.
 

cruiseroutfit

Cruizah!
Moderator
Vendor
Location
Sandy, Ut
... When you look at the actual package it basically keeps things the way they are, there is no actual government run program,...

When its going to take another 12000-16,000 IRS agents to monitor and enforce the Obamacare program... its government run:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...nts-needed-to-enforce-Obamacare-88458137.html
http://www.americasnewsonline.com/the-irs-will-enforce-the-obama-healthcare-bill-903/

Last thing we need is more wasteful big government. Healthcare reform, sure... at the hands of the government, no. I give you social security, medicaid/medicare, GM, etc... Winners eh?
 

TonyM

Charlie don't surf
Location
Alaska
My take on it is its really not a whole lot worse than what we already have and actually might improve it. When you look at the actual package it basically keeps things the way they are, there is no actual government run program, it just requires that all people have health insurance with an accredited insurer. This means for 90% of America nothing changes, I really don't understand what people are so up in arms about.

If you don't have insurance you are retard, one dink to the head by accident and you could end up $30,000 in debt or worse whether you had anything to do with it or not. It is way worse than not having car insurance. It is also literally the most mild health care bill possible.

Since about '02 health care costs have increased 800%. This problem really should have been taken care of in the 90s before it got as bad as it has, also related to the ambulance chaser industry that really does need to be reigned in (this is my Republican voice talking). I went to the ER in July last year and was charged $76 a minute that I was there (20 minutes of waiting) or $126 a stitch, by IHC, which is supposedly an "efficient" and fairly low cost HMO compared to the national average. I spent nearly $5G an healthcare costs in 2009, and I am 31 year old totally healthy normal American, and that is F'd up...

Honestly I consider myself pretty bipartisan these days and I think the arguments against this one were really off and extremely partisan which made this a hotly contested one when honestly it was as good as it possibly could have been. I really think you guys have your blinders on because it is "Obama" and honestly that is a weakness not a strength..

For me w/ no health insurance from an employer, not a damn thing will change for me personally except I no longer have to deal with "preexisting conditions" BS, and that's it... I am currently trying to get scammed by my health insurance provider on "preexisting conditions" though I have been with them for over 2 years. They have sent me letters asking for documentation on every single doctor's visit and prescription I've gotten in the last five years. Total bs... I pay for my own insurance at about $114 a month until my insurance company increased it 19% this year for no reason at all other than some stitches here and there, and that is bs...

My $.02...

I don't think you are seeing the big picture here... let me try and explain... BTW this is only ONE aspect of many concerning this bill/law.

So... people will be able to get health insurance regardless of pre-existing conditions, at a regulated rate.Myself being a small business owner, i'll try and explain what that means....
1st. The cost to provide coverage will exceed income made from rates. Company fails.

2nd. The cost to provide coverage will exceed income made from rates. Companies will increase premium costs, less people will be able to afford it, and they will undoubtedly fail.

What does this mean. This means that when these companies start to fail... someone or "something" will have to step in... sound familiar? Single payer system. This is the goal of the progressives... and although they did not get what they wanted in swoop like they had hoped, its only a matter of time before they get it under the new structure.

When the Gov is setting payments for procedures, enter Canada, UK, Venezuela, etc. healthcare systems.

To say this keeps thing pretty much how they are, is short sided, and pretty ignorant IMO... look further, keep an open mind, and you'll see what I mean. It does not take a brain surgeon to put this together (Pardon the pun)...lol
 
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muddyjeep

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This Country is fast becoming something I don't want to even be a part of!
DOG-DAMN COMMUNIST'S!!!!!!!!! Vote all the Commi-crats out of office
in November!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If we even last that long!!!!!!!!!!!
Motherfawking comi's!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
IRS has nothing to do with the healthcare bill, that is crap on the Internet, sorry... Sure, there will be some drawbacks. I agree that big government sucks. I'm not defending Obama and particularly his approach that "government can solve everything" because it can't. But at the end of the day regardless of someone's political opinion this is a move in the right direction. Healthcare is literally bankrupting America. You know what I made this year, $5G for me for a sprained ankle and two runs to the ER for stitches is completely obsurd not to mention the 20% increase in insurance this year...
 
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