Bush Plan Allows Logging in National Forests
This is suppose to help w/ all access to public lands as well.
-Earl
This is suppose to help w/ all access to public lands as well.
-Earl
Hear about this today?
- Thread starter cyberduke
- Start date
- Location
- Grantsville, Utah
Good news. There is way too much dry wood out there.
Spork
Tin Foil Hat Equipped
- Location
- Saratoga Springs, UT
Sounds like a better idea than just letting them burn to me... 
andy d
come on, give me a hug.
- Location
- west jordan,
but if we get rid of the fire danger, what will the boy scouts burn down? and then who can the government sue?
and then who can the government sue? 
crimsonride
huh?
- Location
- Murray
Hickey said:
No kidding, I took my dirt bike out in the uintahs around Flaming Gorge, I once I got up a little higher the dead trees were so thick in the woods that you would have a serious time just trying to climb over them all. All that dead, dry wood is just asking for a serious fire but noooo, it would be terrible to allow people to drive on the roads to access all that wood. Instead we're just going to wait for it to catch on fire.
Just an interesting side note:
Last year a logging company came to Sundance and removed downed and dead wood. Sundance was paid for this wood. Kind of ironic for an environmentalist organization. The interesting part is it has lowered the fire danger and promoted new growth. The logging company actually used helicopters to remove the large trees so that no new roads were built.
Last year a logging company came to Sundance and removed downed and dead wood. Sundance was paid for this wood. Kind of ironic for an environmentalist organization. The interesting part is it has lowered the fire danger and promoted new growth. The logging company actually used helicopters to remove the large trees so that no new roads were built.
- Location
- Sandy, Ut
Go Bush... I think it is an excellent plan...
Now on the otherhand... Kerry just announced his new CCC stlye plan.. using the 100 million that is subsidized to the timber insustry to "rejuvinate" the forests... bad idea... Hope Bush sticks around!
Now on the otherhand... Kerry just announced his new CCC stlye plan.. using the 100 million that is subsidized to the timber insustry to "rejuvinate" the forests... bad idea... Hope Bush sticks around!
- Location
- Grand Junction, CO
cruiseroutfit said:
Me too...
Ohms
'Poser Wheeler
- Location
- the gates of hell
I do have my own opinions on Bush on a lot of things. But one thing I will not disagree is he has been one of the key people in the fight against land nazis. There is nothing better than an outdoorsman and land use advocate who also happens to be the President of the US.
just my .02
just my .02
P
pokeyYJ
Guest
cruiseroutfit said:
Yeah thats just what this country needs!
I am all for public access and I am in no what way supporting Kerry, but I would like to have a future, and at the rate that Bush is going, that doesn't look so good.
All right, I have my fire suit on so go ahead and flame me!
where is the flipoff smilie when you need him?
pokeyYJ said:Yeah thats just what this country needs!
I am all for public access and I am in no what way supporting Kerry, but I would like to have a future, and at the rate that Bush is going, that doesn't look so good.
All right, I have my fire suit on so go ahead and flame me!
where is the flipoff smilie when you need him?
you're always quick to put Bush down but you have yet to give a valid reason...
I agree he may not be perfect in all areas but of anyone that has even shown any interest in President this past year I think he is the most qualified...
- Location
- South Carolina....no public land
not to mention kerry is a huge waffler. you never really know what his stand is going to be day to day.
P
pokeyYJ
Guest
Supergper said:
Hmmm,,, invalid war with Iraq,,,,,,,, huge spending increases, while cutting taxes for an insurmountable national debt,,,,,, flakey presidential staff,,,,,, more vacation time than any president ever,,,,,,
yeah no valid reasons.
lets move this into chit chat
I will add some!!!!! It's probably been posted before?
Here's Bushes Resume...
com> Cc:
RESUME
> >
> > I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine, in 1976 for driving
> > under the influence of alcohol.
> >
> > I entered a plea of guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's
> > license suspended for 30 days.
> >
> > My Texas driving record has been "lost" and is not available.
> >
> > MILITARY:
> > I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL.
> > I refused to take a drug test or answer any questions about
> > My drug use.
> >
> > By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid
> > combat duty in Vietnam.
> >
> > COLLEGE:
> > I graduated from Yale University with a low C average.
> > I was a cheerleader.
> >
> > PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:
> > I ran for U.S. Congress and lost.
> > I began my career in the o il business in Midland, Texas, in 1975.
> >
> > I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas.
> > The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.
> >
> > I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart
> > deal that took land using taxpayer money.
> >
> > With the help of my father and our rightwing friends in the
> > oil industry (including Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected
> > governor of Texas.
> >
> > ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS:
> > I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil
> > companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union.
> >
> > During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most
> > smog ridden city in America.
> >
> > I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of
> > billions in borrowed money.
> >
> > I set the record for the most executions by any governor in
> > American history.
> >
> > With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida, and my
> > father's appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President
> > after losing by over 500,000 votes.
> >
> > ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:
> > I am the first President in U.S. history to enter office
> > with a criminal record.
> >
> > I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of
> > over one billion dollars per week.
> >
> > I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S.
> > Treasury.
> >
> > I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in
> > U.S. history.
> >
> > I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed
> > in any 12 month period.
> >
> > I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month
> > period.
> >< BR>> > I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the
> > history of the U.S. stock market.
> >
> > In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost
> > their jobs and that trend continues every month.
> >
> > I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of
> > any administration in U.S. history.
> > My "poorest millionaire," Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil
> > tanker named after her.
> >
> > I set the record for most campaign fundraising trips by a
> > U.S. President.
> >
> > I am the all-time U.S. and world record holder for receiving
> > the most corporate campaign donations.
> >
> > My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best
> > friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate
> > bankruptcy fraud in U.S. History, Enron.
> >
> > My political party used Enron private jets and corporate
> > attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme
> > Court during my election decision.
> >
> > I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against
> > investigation or prosecution. More time and money was spent
> > investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent
> > investigating one of the biggest corporate rip offs in history.
> >
> > I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and
> > refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry
> > was revealed.
> >
> > I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history.
> > I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be
> > awarded government contracts.
> >
> > I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than
> > any President in U.S. history.
> >
> > I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest
> > bureaucracy in the history of the United States government.
> >
> > I've broken more international treaties than any President
> > in U.S. history.
> >
> > I am the first President in U.S. history to have the United
> > Nations remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.
> >
> > I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.
> >
> > I refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. "prisoners of war"
> > detainees and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva
> > Convention.
> >
> > I am the first President in history to refuse United Nations
> > election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election).
> >
> > I set the record for fewest number of press conferences of
> > any President since the advent of television.
> >
> > I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any
> > one year period.
> >
> > After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over
> > the worst security failure in U.S. history.
> >
> > I garnered the most sympathy for the U.S. after the World
> > Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S.
> > the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of
> > diplomacy in world history. I have set the all time record for
> > most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public
> > venues (15 million people), shattering the record for protest
> > against any person in the history of mankind.
> >
> > I am the first President in U.S. history to order an unprovoked,
> > preemptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation.
> > I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S.
> > citizens, and the world community.
> >
> > I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support
> > a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families in
> > war time. In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons
> > for attacking Iraq, then blamed the lies on our British friends.
> >
> > I am the first President in history to have a majority of
> > Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to
> > world peace and security.
> >
> > I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD.
> >
> > I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama bin Laden
> > and Saddam Hussein to justice.
> >
> > RECORDS AND REFERENCES:
> > All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are now in my
> > father's library, sealed and unavailable for public view.
> >
> > All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading
> > and my bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable
> > for public view.
> >
> > All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice
> > President, attended regarding public energy policy are sealed
> > in secrecy and unavailable for public review.
> >
> > PLEASE CONSIDER MY EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING IN 2004.
> >
> >
> > IF YOU HAVEN'T VOTED IN THE PAST, GUESS WHAT-
> > NOW IS THE TIME TO START! ---------
It's probably been posted before?Here's Bushes Resume...
com> Cc:
RESUME
> >
> > I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine, in 1976 for driving
> > under the influence of alcohol.
> >
> > I entered a plea of guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's
> > license suspended for 30 days.
> >
> > My Texas driving record has been "lost" and is not available.
> >
> > MILITARY:
> > I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL.
> > I refused to take a drug test or answer any questions about
> > My drug use.
> >
> > By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid
> > combat duty in Vietnam.
> >
> > COLLEGE:
> > I graduated from Yale University with a low C average.
> > I was a cheerleader.
> >
> > PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:
> > I ran for U.S. Congress and lost.
> > I began my career in the o il business in Midland, Texas, in 1975.
> >
> > I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas.
> > The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.
> >
> > I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart
> > deal that took land using taxpayer money.
> >
> > With the help of my father and our rightwing friends in the
> > oil industry (including Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected
> > governor of Texas.
> >
> > ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS:
> > I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil
> > companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union.
> >
> > During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most
> > smog ridden city in America.
> >
> > I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of
> > billions in borrowed money.
> >
> > I set the record for the most executions by any governor in
> > American history.
> >
> > With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida, and my
> > father's appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President
> > after losing by over 500,000 votes.
> >
> > ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:
> > I am the first President in U.S. history to enter office
> > with a criminal record.
> >
> > I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of
> > over one billion dollars per week.
> >
> > I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S.
> > Treasury.
> >
> > I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in
> > U.S. history.
> >
> > I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed
> > in any 12 month period.
> >
> > I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month
> > period.
> >< BR>> > I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the
> > history of the U.S. stock market.
> >
> > In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost
> > their jobs and that trend continues every month.
> >
> > I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of
> > any administration in U.S. history.
> > My "poorest millionaire," Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil
> > tanker named after her.
> >
> > I set the record for most campaign fundraising trips by a
> > U.S. President.
> >
> > I am the all-time U.S. and world record holder for receiving
> > the most corporate campaign donations.
> >
> > My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best
> > friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate
> > bankruptcy fraud in U.S. History, Enron.
> >
> > My political party used Enron private jets and corporate
> > attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme
> > Court during my election decision.
> >
> > I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against
> > investigation or prosecution. More time and money was spent
> > investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent
> > investigating one of the biggest corporate rip offs in history.
> >
> > I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and
> > refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry
> > was revealed.
> >
> > I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history.
> > I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be
> > awarded government contracts.
> >
> > I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than
> > any President in U.S. history.
> >
> > I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest
> > bureaucracy in the history of the United States government.
> >
> > I've broken more international treaties than any President
> > in U.S. history.
> >
> > I am the first President in U.S. history to have the United
> > Nations remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.
> >
> > I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.
> >
> > I refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. "prisoners of war"
> > detainees and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva
> > Convention.
> >
> > I am the first President in history to refuse United Nations
> > election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election).
> >
> > I set the record for fewest number of press conferences of
> > any President since the advent of television.
> >
> > I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any
> > one year period.
> >
> > After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over
> > the worst security failure in U.S. history.
> >
> > I garnered the most sympathy for the U.S. after the World
> > Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S.
> > the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of
> > diplomacy in world history. I have set the all time record for
> > most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public
> > venues (15 million people), shattering the record for protest
> > against any person in the history of mankind.
> >
> > I am the first President in U.S. history to order an unprovoked,
> > preemptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation.
> > I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S.
> > citizens, and the world community.
> >
> > I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support
> > a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families in
> > war time. In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons
> > for attacking Iraq, then blamed the lies on our British friends.
> >
> > I am the first President in history to have a majority of
> > Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to
> > world peace and security.
> >
> > I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD.
> >
> > I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama bin Laden
> > and Saddam Hussein to justice.
> >
> > RECORDS AND REFERENCES:
> > All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are now in my
> > father's library, sealed and unavailable for public view.
> >
> > All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading
> > and my bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable
> > for public view.
> >
> > All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice
> > President, attended regarding public energy policy are sealed
> > in secrecy and unavailable for public review.
> >
> > PLEASE CONSIDER MY EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING IN 2004.
> >
> >
> > IF YOU HAVEN'T VOTED IN THE PAST, GUESS WHAT-
> > NOW IS THE TIME TO START! ---------
harkinoff said:I will add some!!!!!
Here's Bushes Resume...
com> Cc:
RESUME
> >
> > I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine, in 1976 for driving
> > under the influence of alcohol.
> >
> > I entered a plea of guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's
> > license suspended for 30 days.
> >
> > My Texas driving record has been "lost" and is not available.
> >
> > MILITARY:
> > I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL.
> > I refused to take a drug test or answer any questions about
> > My drug use.
> >
> > By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid
> > combat duty in Vietnam.
> >
> > COLLEGE:
> > I graduated from Yale University with a low C average.
> > I was a cheerleader.
> >
> > PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:
> > I ran for U.S. Congress and lost.
> > I began my career in the o il business in Midland, Texas, in 1975.
> >
> > I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas.
> > The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.
> >
> > I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart
> > deal that took land using taxpayer money.
> >
> > With the help of my father and our rightwing friends in the
> > oil industry (including Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected
> > governor of Texas.
> >
> > ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS:
> > I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil
> > companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union.
> >
> > During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most
> > smog ridden city in America.
> >
> > I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of
> > billions in borrowed money.
> >
> > I set the record for the most executions by any governor in
> > American history.
> >
> > With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida, and my
> > father's appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President
> > after losing by over 500,000 votes.
> >
> > ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:
> > I am the first President in U.S. history to enter office
> > with a criminal record.
> >
> > I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of
> > over one billion dollars per week.
> >
> > I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S.
> > Treasury.
> >
> > I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in
> > U.S. history.
> >
> > I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed
> > in any 12 month period.
> >
> > I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month
> > period.
> >< BR>> > I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the
> > history of the U.S. stock market.
> >
> > In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost
> > their jobs and that trend continues every month.
> >
> > I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of
> > any administration in U.S. history.
> > My "poorest millionaire," Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil
> > tanker named after her.
> >
> > I set the record for most campaign fundraising trips by a
> > U.S. President.
> >
> > I am the all-time U.S. and world record holder for receiving
> > the most corporate campaign donations.
> >
> > My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best
> > friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate
> > bankruptcy fraud in U.S. History, Enron.
> >
> > My political party used Enron private jets and corporate
> > attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme
> > Court during my election decision.
> >
> > I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against
> > investigation or prosecution. More time and money was spent
> > investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent
> > investigating one of the biggest corporate rip offs in history.
> >
> > I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and
> > refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry
> > was revealed.
> >
> > I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history.
> > I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be
> > awarded government contracts.
> >
> > I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than
> > any President in U.S. history.
> >
> > I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest
> > bureaucracy in the history of the United States government.
> >
> > I've broken more international treaties than any President
> > in U.S. history.
> >
> > I am the first President in U.S. history to have the United
> > Nations remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.
> >
> > I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.
> >
> > I refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. "prisoners of war"
> > detainees and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva
> > Convention.
> >
> > I am the first President in history to refuse United Nations
> > election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election).
> >
> > I set the record for fewest number of press conferences of
> > any President since the advent of television.
> >
> > I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any
> > one year period.
> >
> > After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over
> > the worst security failure in U.S. history.
> >
> > I garnered the most sympathy for the U.S. after the World
> > Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S.
> > the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of
> > diplomacy in world history. I have set the all time record for
> > most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public
> > venues (15 million people), shattering the record for protest
> > against any person in the history of mankind.
> >
> > I am the first President in U.S. history to order an unprovoked,
> > preemptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation.
> > I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S.
> > citizens, and the world community.
> >
> > I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support
> > a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families in
> > war time. In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons
> > for attacking Iraq, then blamed the lies on our British friends.
> >
> > I am the first President in history to have a majority of
> > Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to
> > world peace and security.
> >
> > I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD.
> >
> > I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama bin Laden
> > and Saddam Hussein to justice.
> >
> > RECORDS AND REFERENCES:
> > All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are now in my
> > father's library, sealed and unavailable for public view.
> >
> > All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading
> > and my bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable
> > for public view.
> >
> > All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice
> > President, attended regarding public energy policy are sealed
> > in secrecy and unavailable for public review.
> >
> > PLEASE CONSIDER MY EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING IN 2004.
> >
> >
> > IF YOU HAVEN'T VOTED IN THE PAST, GUESS WHAT-
> > NOW IS THE TIME TO START! ---------
Is this from MichealMoore.com(munist)?
- Location
- Grand Junction, CO
Wow, some hard feelings about the president, eh? In my opinion, the dude gets stuff done. Compared to past presidents (Don't even have to touch Clinton as a comparison, ) Bush is a welcomed change & I'd like to see him in office for another 4 years.
) Bush is a welcomed change & I'd like to see him in office for another 4 years.
- Location
- Grantsville, Utah
Same here.Greg said:Wow, some hard feelings about the president, eh? In my opinion, the dude gets stuff done. Compared to past presidents (Don't even have to touch Clinton as a comparison,
All I can say about this President is wow!!! I support our troops,our Government, the Unions, my family, my wifes family does as well.. I see people struggling everywhere now days and the economy isn't getting any better.. You people that support Bush, that's O.K. in my oppinion, but not everyone sees it the same way as you.. That does not make any of us bad people for seeing things in different perspectives.. We all have our reasons I guess? Mine happens to be for the blue collar workers, that's it.. The way I look at is, how can we fourwheel, build our rides, support shops, pay for the GAS, And pay for the basic way of life, food, shelter,etc.. If everyone is out of work or worried about being out of work? The other thing I'm now worried about is, how is economy going to be for our children? Should they have to worry about if their job will be shipped overseas? I better stop their... Like I say we all have our reasons, I'm not saying everthing that Bush has done is wrong or bad.. He just doesn't fall into the category I see fit for us not so wealthy people or as others will say it "perfect people" Kerry may not be the answer "like he's any better, the democrats outdid themselves on that beauty..." But maybe he will help keep the jobs in the U.S.A.? and help the middleclass people for once? For those that support Bush name just one thing he has done for American middleclass workers? And I will reconsider my outlook on this situation...
Kerry may not be the answer "like he's any better, the democrats outdid themselves on that beauty..." But maybe he will help keep the jobs in the U.S.A.? and help the middleclass people for once? For those that support Bush name just one thing he has done for American middleclass workers? And I will reconsider my outlook on this situation...
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