McCain: What happened?

waynehartwig

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I'm not sure if you guy know the history of McCain... In 2000 after getting swiftboated by Bush McCain almost switched sides to Democrats. He has a black adopted child and Bush accused him of fathering his adopted child. That and the confederate issue. He has a real history of bipartisanship and that was the real way he earned his reputation as a "maverick."

So what? There have been tons of politicians switch parties because of new found beliefs or theirs just don't follow that party anymore.
Ronald Reagan used to be a democrat :eek: ;) Look at good old Arny as well... He's just BARELY republican with a staunch democratic wife.

A TRUE democrat I can tolerate. Problem is they are very rare anymore. Most of them now are liberals and even socialists. I'm really a middle of the road kind of guy and believe that too much either direction is a bad thing. That goes for drugs, booze, chicks, and politics. ;)

In fact, I would not have minded Hilary (we already know her style and it's not all that bad - I believe she ran the office more than Bill did). I also wouldn't have minded Biden as president. Actually, it would have been a hard one to decide where to go - Biden or McCain... But Obama is straight up the devil. Over the next few months/years everyone that supported him will realize this. That euphoria of 'Change' will wear off and reality will set in. Even over the last week 'things' have started coming out that are making some think 'uh oh'. Like this new one with the IRA's! That's just flat out BS!!!!!!! Just another sign that Obama IS a Marxist.
 

waynehartwig

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Mead, WA
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Yeah, I think that was the one.. I remember it differently though?

...But he was tricked into saying it, right? :rolleyes:

Just curious, Goat, who did you vote for? You can tell me none of my business if you want. I'm just curious. It's obvious TrnDrvr did and I still talk to him ;)
 

GOAT

Back from the beyond
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Roanoke, VA
You can ask. Here's my history: 92' Perot. 96' Dole (think I was drunk) 2000' Nader.

2008' sat this one out.

Liked Ron Paul, Utah called no joy on that option:-\
 

waynehartwig

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You can ask. Here's my history: 92' Perot. 96' Dole (think I was drunk) 2000' Nader.

2008' sat this one out.

Liked Ron Paul, Utah called no joy on that option:-\

That's why I asked. It didn't seem like you went either way in the forums and with your sig line I had to ask :D

I voted for Gore in 00... I didn't care for Bush. I didn't care for him in 04 either, but I definately didn't want Kerry... I've always thought of him as an idiot, but a good ol' boy from Texas. I think it was his good ol' boyisms that got him into the position he is now - hated. Even though I don't care for him, I still think his advisors and cabinet members steered him wrong through a lot of his major decisions (Iraqi war for one). Since he's the president, he's gotta take the heat of his decisions, and he is/has/will for some time.... I atrribute most of his failures to Cheney and Rumsfeld... Anyway, I digress...
 

EROK81?

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He is and he admited it on national TV! See, this is what my wife and I just can't figure out. The guy admitted be Muslim. The guy admits to flag burning with his wife. The guy admits how he was raised and befreinded terrorists and even looks up to them. Then he admits that he's a Marxist and will create a socialist economy - and he still received all of the votes. My wife asked her mother why she voted for him when he said all of this, and she only said he never did. Even though she does watch TV and she's seen it all. But yet it didn't happen, because most of those that voted for him were in a daze of 'change'. Rockstarish if you will.

In Muslim culture it is normal to change your name to whatever you choose as a right of passage. Barry chose to take on his fathers' name and become Obama II.


Uhh..I stopped reading after this post.

I would like you to comfirm the following things.

a) he is a muslim and if he is why this is a big deal
b) him admiting he has burned a US flag
c) he looks up to terrorists that attack America
d) he will create socialism in America

If you already cleared this up, please disregard post. :D
 

Tacoma

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far enough away
Don't give up on him, Kurt! :D Not all Easterners are brainwashed leftists. :rofl:

Kurt's right though. Obama's ideology is incompatible with enjoying access to everything we love. :eek: :p
 

cruiseroutfit

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Don't give up on him, Kurt! :D Not all Easterners are brainwashed leftists. :rofl:

Kurt's right though. Obama's ideology is incompatible with enjoying access to everything we love. :eek: :p

I know, I know... Andre and I enjoy a long history of ribbing eachother. You on the other... lost cause lol :D
 

waynehartwig

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Mead, WA
Uhh..I stopped reading after this post.

I would like you to comfirm the following things.

a) he is a muslim and if he is why this is a big deal
b) him admiting he has burned a US flag
c) he looks up to terrorists that attack America
d) he will create socialism in America

If you already cleared this up, please disregard post. :D

Seriously!? Go search and prove me wrong. I did my homework before I voted for McCain. If you voted for Obama, you should have done some homework first, too. All of these topics have been discussed before...

a) he is a muslim and if he is why this is a big deal
Read the thread. :rolleyes:

b) him admiting he has burned a US flag
He admits to attending flag burning ceromonies with his wife, whom also hate America(ns). Only after her hubby started running for president was she proud of this country.

c) he looks up to terrorists that attack America
Most of his mentors are known terrorists. These same terrorists put him through college and started his political career.

d) he will create socialism in America
Nobody is 100% sure he will. However, he ran and was elected based on doing so.

Seriously, do some research and prove me wrong. It's out there and available.
 
indeed sad but true.. I am writing in as and "environmentalist and liberal" that they do not understand the scenario here. I think the ringer is a phrasing along the lines of 'closing all major freeways in northern utah because of congestion on I-80 just east of I-15' which is about how I look at it. I still think we are at a real loss by siding with the energy development and mining and all OHV access folk particularly because we actually have some pretty valid arguements. Just my $.02...
 

jgb

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West Desert
This post is in response to Waynehartwigs above post, #91.

Letter a:

This is what I wrote in post #75 reagarding this issue:

Obama is NOT a Muslim, he is a Christian.

But for the sake of discussion let us say that he is. So what. Are you intolerant of anothers religion? Or is it because we are having issues with EXTREMIST Muslims with a warped view, commiting atrocities in the name of Allah.

Do not forget what EXTREMIST CHRISTIANS have done in the name of God throughout history and even today. Should I then think that ALL Christians are extremists with a warped view and be intolerant of them?

You really do not want me to start a list of atrocities performed by EXTREMIST CHRISTIANS in the name of God throughout history....


The "proof" you did not offer and the "proof" you are basing your assumptions on is the following exchange:

Obama, speaking to ABC's George Stephanopoulos on "This Week," was talking about what he described as "smears" that were claiming he was a Muslim when he maintains he is a practicing Christian.

"Let's not play games," Obama stated. "What I was suggesting – you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith. And you're absolutely right that that has not come."

Stephanopoulos immediately interrupted Obama, stating, "Christian faith."

"My Christian faith," Obama quickly said. "Well, what I'm saying is that he (McCain) hasn't suggested that I'm a Muslim. And I think that his campaign's upper echelons have not, either. What I think is fair to say is that, coming out of the Republican camp, there have been efforts to suggest that perhaps I'm not who I say I am when it comes to my faith – something which I find deeply offensive, and that has been going on for a pretty long time."


So, since you did not heed my warning here is a partial list:

Galileo Galilei- died under house arrest

Giordano Bruno- burned at the stake


You might want to do some research on the forced CHRISTIAN schooling of the Native Americans and the atrocities perpetrated therein.

Some excerpts:

Church officials, missionaries, and local authorities took children as young as five from their parents and shipped them off to Christian boarding schools; they forced others to enroll in Christian day schools on reservations.

Virtually imprisoned in the schools, children experienced a devastating litany of abuses, from forced assimilation and grueling labor to widespread sexual and physical abuse.

The Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA) controlled 25 off-reservation boarding schools while churches ran 460 boarding and day schools on reservations with government funds.

Physical hardship, however, was merely the backdrop to a systematic assault on Native culture. School staff sheared children's hair, banned traditional clothing and customs, and forced children to worship as Christians.

The report says church officials killed children by beating, poisoning, electric shock, starvation, prolonged exposure to sub-zero cold while naked, and medical experimentation, including the removal of organs and radiation exposure. In 1928 Alberta passed legislation allowing school officials to forcibly sterilize Native girls; British Columbia followed suit in 1933. There is no accurate toll of forced sterilizations because hospital staff destroyed records in 1995 after police launched an investigation. But according to the testimony of a nurse in Alberta, doctors sterilized entire groups of Native children when they reached puberty. The report also says that Canadian clergy, police, and business and government officials “rented out” children from residential schools to pedophile rings.


BTK killer Dennis Rader, He was a member of ****** Lutheran Church, a Lutheran congregation of about 200 people. He had been a member for about 30 years and had been elected president of the Congregation Council.


Numerous abortion clinic bombings and abortion doctor killings by Christians in the name of God. One such group is the Army of God.


Also do not forget the Salem Witch trials of Colonial America.


And really do not forget about all those CATHOLIC priests and the little boys they sexually molested.


Letter b:

Obama admitting he burned or attended a flag burning ceremony.

This was a hoax:

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003874836
 
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jgb

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Location
West Desert
Letter c:

He looks up to terrorists.

The Bill Ayers link, which is a weak link at best:

Bill Ayers and Barack Obama at one time lived in the same neighborhood in the city of Chicago, and both had worked on education reform in the state of Illinois. The two met "at a luncheon meeting about school reform."[46] Obama was named to the Chicago Annenberg Challenge Project Board of Directors to oversee the distribution of grants in Chicago. Later in 1995, Ayers hosted "a coffee" for "Mr. Obama's first run for office."[46] The two served on the board of a community anti-poverty group, the Woods Fund of Chicago, between 2000 and 2002, during which time the board met 12 times.[46] In April 2001, Ayers contributed $200 to Obama's re-election fund to the Illinois State Senate.[47] Since 2002, there has been little linking Obama and Ayers.[46] Obama said in September 2008 that he hadn't "seen him in a year-and-a-half."[48] In February 2008, Obama spokesman Bill Burton released a statement from the senator about the relationship between the two: "Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous."[47]CNN's review of project records found nothing to suggest anything inappropriate in the non-profit projects in which the two men were involved.[49] Internal reviews by The New York Times, The Washington Post, Time magazine, The Chicago Sun-Times, The New Yorker and The New Republic "have said that their reporting does not support the idea that Obama and Ayers had a close relationship".[50] William C. Ibershof, the lead federal prosecutor of the Weather Underground case has stated, "I am amazed and outraged that Senator Barack Obama is being linked to William Ayers’s terrorist activities 40 years ago when Mr. Obama was, as he has noted, just a child."[51]

During the 2008 U.S. presidential campaign, a controversy arose regarding Barack Obama's contact with Bill Ayers, a Distinguished Professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, and a former leader of the Weather Underground.[1] He served on two nonprofit boards with Obama. Both Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn, hosted a gathering at their home in 1995,[2] where Alice Palmer introduced Obama as her chosen successor in the Illinois State Senate.[3][4] Investigations by the New York Times, CNN, and other news organizations concluded that Obama does not have a close relationship with Ayers.[5][3][6]
The matter was initially raised by Hillary Rodham Clinton in February 2008 after it had been suggested by Sean Hannity and other hosts on conservative talk radio programs. Moderator George Stephanopoulos revisited the discussion during a debate between Clinton and Obama in April 2008. In October 2008, the matter was mentioned in attack ads, robocalls, mass mailings, and campaign speeches by Republican presidential candidate John McCain and vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin as an issue in the general election campaign. Obama has condemned Ayers' past,[7] and stated that he does not have a close association with him. [2]

Letter d:

He will create Socialism in America.

On this only time will tell.
 

EROK81?

Sell out
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SLC
Seriously!? Go search and prove me wrong. I did my homework before I voted for McCain. If you voted for Obama, you should have done some homework first, too. All of these topics have been discussed before...

a) he is a muslim and if he is why this is a big deal
Read the thread. :rolleyes:

b) him admiting he has burned a US flag
He admits to attending flag burning ceromonies with his wife, whom also hate America(ns). Only after her hubby started running for president was she proud of this country.

c) he looks up to terrorists that attack America
Most of his mentors are known terrorists. These same terrorists put him through college and started his political career.

d) he will create socialism in America
Nobody is 100% sure he will. However, he ran and was elected based on doing so.

Seriously, do some research and prove me wrong. It's out there and available.

First of all, I asked you to confirm what you said. No need to post :rolleyes: and tell me to do research. I was asking a question.

Secondly, it looks like you are the one that needs to do some research.
 
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