Klif01
Do I bother you?
- Location
- Denver, CO
Thats cool. I'm impressed!
Muddy Snakes
- Thread starter Klif01
- Start date
- Location
- Grantsville, Utah
Vandall, Andy.....Shawn said:
Hickey said:I don't have enough "reputation" for a hug over there.
funny thing is you are in the top like 3 when it comes to knowledge/experience... i am going to cancel my membership tonight!
naxja... it's like jeepsunlimited for xjs only
p.s. i agree about the whole bypass thing sucking, lets pave it so they will avoid it next time... really though, lets put up some trees i am down for that!
and then lets roll some rocks, take out the dirt that was filled in and make the trail what it used to be. it has been changed toooooo much
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- Location
- Grantsville, Utah
I had a guy negative my rep on there. His comment was "you don't go rockcrawling, do you?"xj_punk said:it's like jeepsunlimited for xjs only
Well, It has been a year...
- Location
- Grantsville, Utah
It's in my profile. I am not a Naxja member, so I can't tell who said it.xj_punk said:link! link! link!!!!!
edit: ps put up the three pictures total you have of your old jeep
- Location
- Grantsville, Utah
Was it muddy? I heard it is way hard when it is muddy.Cody said:
Klif01 said:
You have dual cases now right? Thats your problem, by the time you go through 8 gears and a t-case and find the one gear that can generate a little bit of wheelspeed, you're already off your line with a big hole dug out beneath you.
You can't crawl the mud/snow...didn't you get the memo?
Hickey said:
The nest is way hard anyways and I doubt it could be done muddy. When the con is whet it goes from a 5 minute trail to a 12 minute trail--so it's more than twice as fun!
I did try and do Wayne's world when it was poring rain and I couldn't get up it....or at least I broke a hub before I could get up it. It gets pretty slick when wet.
Cody
- Location
- Grantsville, Utah
So, did you take the bypass?Cody said:
Note to all users who don't know Cody: he would NEVER take the bypass. Cody knows that the bypass promotes excessive erosion, and besides only pansies take a bypass.
Fade2Black
Drinking bone
- Location
- Ogden, UT
Tim,
What bypass is being referred to?
The line up the hill around the tree was pretty well established and was completely dirt.
The ledge you went up at the first obstacle on Constrictor was mostly rock, but going up it still should not have happened. There is a bypass which should have been used, but I know you aren't out to tear up the wilderness.
The community,
The terrain here isn't as fragile as that of Alaska, though it does deserve care. A single person making a bypass on an AK trail, if the area even allows a bypass, can be very destructive. It is one of the biggest issues that responsible wheelers battle.
However, Alaskan wheelers are very protective of their land. We hold regular trail cleanups and vehicle salvages.
Coming down here was different. While there is hardly any trash to speak of on the Snake Trails, the abandoned trailer sitting along the road to the trails was quite a sight. I am surprised it sat there as long as it did, and there was still some garbage there on Monday, more than I could fit in my truck. I picked up a dozen trash items from The Rattlesnake alone.
I see that Utahans are also protective of their land, but how about some activism on the trails? Signs, trail maintenance?
I for one would volunteer a day for cleaning up Little Moab.
These are just my observations. This is not an attack.
What bypass is being referred to?
The line up the hill around the tree was pretty well established and was completely dirt.
The ledge you went up at the first obstacle on Constrictor was mostly rock, but going up it still should not have happened. There is a bypass which should have been used, but I know you aren't out to tear up the wilderness.
The community,
The terrain here isn't as fragile as that of Alaska, though it does deserve care. A single person making a bypass on an AK trail, if the area even allows a bypass, can be very destructive. It is one of the biggest issues that responsible wheelers battle.
However, Alaskan wheelers are very protective of their land. We hold regular trail cleanups and vehicle salvages.
Coming down here was different. While there is hardly any trash to speak of on the Snake Trails, the abandoned trailer sitting along the road to the trails was quite a sight. I am surprised it sat there as long as it did, and there was still some garbage there on Monday, more than I could fit in my truck. I picked up a dozen trash items from The Rattlesnake alone.
I see that Utahans are also protective of their land, but how about some activism on the trails? Signs, trail maintenance?
I for one would volunteer a day for cleaning up Little Moab.
These are just my observations. This is not an attack.
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- Location
- Grantsville, Utah
Fade2Black said:
We don't engage in that type of stuff here in the lower 48.
Are you saying that it is okay to create bypasses in Utah, but not in Alaska?
Fade2Black said:
You mean like the sign right by the beginning of the Con that says "do not make bypasses, do not stack rocks"?
I'm not debating how 'established' the bypass looked. It looks like a road cause lots of asshats use it and it's easier to see the tire tracks on the now dead grass/foilage than it is on the rock of the wash that the trail is in.
We deffinately need to go out there and find a way to close the bypass.
Cody
- Location
- Grantsville, Utah
Fade 2 black. Check some of these links out.
http://www.rockymountainextreme.com/search.php?searchid=125836
http://www.rockymountainextreme.com/search.php?searchid=125836
Fade2Black
Drinking bone
- Location
- Ogden, UT
Hickey said:
We don't engage in that type of stuff here in the lower 48.
Are you saying that it is okay to create bypasses in Utah, but not in Alaska?
I guess I'm a comedian now?
I am not sure if you are reading what I am saying or what I am meaning, but I have a very high respect for Utah's offroaders. I have seen signage, but how about signs along the trail, something like, "This trail protected by so-and-so. Keep it clean."
In the above paragraphs I said that a bypass should NOT have been created for Tim's convenience. Bypasses should only be created for the sake of safety, in the event that a roll-over or end-over danger is present, and absolutely never at the expense of nature. I saw trees all over the Constrictor that were scarred from rigs sliding along them or tipping into them.
Many of the trails that are wheeled in Alaska are seasonal trails, as snow makes them completely impassable. Mud is the name of the game come summer. You give it your best shot, try not to dig a hole, and when you get stuck, you winch out or get winched out. Sometimes the trails are so tight that there is no possible way of going around a hole. Bypasses almost always create bigger pits, erode banks, tear up grass or tundra, or expose tree roots, all of which are terrible things for the flora.
Trail maintenance includes creating drainages for mud holes, blocking bypasses, replanting trees, removing deadfall, and picking up litter.
Again, these are observations and my experiences. They are not the law of the land nor are they commandments, nor shall they be taken as such.
Thank you,
Fade2Black
Drinking bone
- Location
- Ogden, UT
Cody said:
Yes, that sign. I didn't know what Tim was doing when he started backing up. Then all of the sudden he was climbing a hill and was up on the bypass.
Both of the times I have been on The Constrictor there have been numerous people taking the bypass around the first obstacle. It does look like a road. I have just parked right before the start of the trail, as my truck is nowhere near capable of passing through that trail, especially in the mud and snow.
I would contribute my time and labor to helping on the trails. Just let me know when.
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Fade2Black
Drinking bone
- Location
- Ogden, UT
Hickey said:
Excellent threads! Good to see cleanups!
Have there been any cleanups since last summer? Not that the trails are littered, but I did pick up some junk the last couple times out.
My suggestions are all based on general values of my own. I already assumed that these things were being done, but if Tim and I made the mistake, many people could as well.
It was good to see a ranger at Wayne's World, but the feeling I got when I saw people's reaction to the ranger was that of, "Oh, s---, do I have my registration." Not that of, "Are we doing something wrong?"
I need to work on my trail etiquette of contributing to the rock stacking issue, and I also need to reduce the amount of tire spin I exhibit on certain obstacles.
If I can be more responsible with my own trail use and show others the way, maybe things like this won't happen as often in the future.