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Cody

Cody

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uhh, you can quote me, but make it so I spelled consistantly right ;)

I would worry about any power cord that was on 24 hours a day and slept beside me. I bet they put an inflatable friend on the end of the new one so gamers don't get lonely.

Cody
 
cruiseroutfit

cruiseroutfit

Cruizah!
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Sandy, Ut
xj_punk said:
actually plants appreciate our carbon dioxide
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Proportional to the amount of oxygen we consume? This environment has plenty of CO2 :D

Besides the point... its his breathe that destroys the environment :D
 
bryce

bryce

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logan utah
by passes and closed trails. starts to get confusing
providence canyon, welshes flat road is a road that is shown to be open on the 2004 travel managment map. a trail that was adopted by the cache rangers 4x4 club, well if you drive up to the turn off there is a big ole sign that says TRAIL CLOSED
sooo do you go or not
the map says open the sign says closed
who posted it? a misguided usfs emploee?
some granola?
is it closed ?
is it open?
with the new closed unless posted open rules there isnt much that is left open
 
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Ken

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Location
Salt Lake
Cody said:
Whats the point of a hard trail if you're going to drive around the obstacles? It's like doing prichett only to be winched over or to drive around the only 2 reasonably difficult obstacles. If you can't do them, stay off. Thats my thoughts anyways.

It blowes me away that people use that bypass at the beginign of the con--if you can't make that first obstacle (which isn't that difficult anyways) then you shouldn't be on the rest of the trail. It's good to keep the riff-raff out so the trail doesn't turn into a highway....oh wait, it already did.

So, does anyone have any bright ideas on how to close down that bypass? I think this spring we have 2 major goals on the Con (IMO anyways)..

1) block off that bypass and the new one that is forming at the Nest
2)Plant a winch point/anchor of some sort at the top of the Nest so people have something to winch too instead of a tree.

3) Kick Klifs ass ;)

Cody
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I really liked the fact that you bagged on a person winching at pritchett, but then went on to talking about how you needed a better winch point. You sir have a cool grand cherokee, but a bad attitude that needs some adjusting. Nobody likes congestion on the trail but people like to try new things and trails have more than one obstacle. Sometimes the obstacles are unique to the trail. Sometimes people can't do all the badass stuff that I'm sure you do cause sometimes people wheel daily drivers or don't want to beat their car like you do. Some people don't have their cars paid off yet and can't afford the cost of a roll over like yourself. Why don't you go out in the boonies and find some trail that you really like and don't tell anyone about it. It can be your very own sand box that you don't have to share with anyone else little cody. :(
 
Cody

Cody

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You missed my point bud but thats ok.

I don't have a problem with people taking a winch over an obstacle, or taking a strap or not wanting to thrash their rigs (dude, I lead a group of 50 grand cherokees around moab every june, I understand the 'don't scratch my paint mentality'). What I don't understand are people that do a trail that is over their head and just expect other people to wait for them until they've been dragged though it. When people get into positions they are not prepared for what do they do?????????????????????????????????????????????????????
They take or make a bypass. And if not they get into positions they don't want to. If you don't want to thrash your junk then why take it on a difficult trail like Constrictor or Pritchett. I don't think it's right for people to go out to hard trails and make them easier just the same as I don't think it's right for people to go out to easy trails and make them more difficult.

A trail should remain true to it's rating---what is Constrictors rating? 5. Go look that up in the guide book--it'd be the one harder the 4+ which says body damage likely, lockers needed, etc. etc. So if you don't meet the requirments then why on earrth would you change the trail so you can make it?

and honestly, comparing winching the rock pile to winching the end of constrictor is apples and oranges. I've seen YJ, TJ's, WJ's, ZJ's, XJ's, toys etc. on 33-35's do the rockpile without rocks without problem. I think I have video of Mike Llib in his WJ driving the rock pile--its more intimidating than difficult and if you are intimidated by big hard obstacles, then do a trail without them (there are lots ;) ) I would rather see someone do a less difficult trail than make a bypass around it so he can say they did Pritchett Canyon....

So, you can adjust my attitude if you want I guess, but at least understand what I'm trying to say before your bravado takes over.


Cody

Klif--where the hell were you tonight?
 
K

Ken

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Salt Lake
Alright I understand where you're coming from. Basically alot of the skill comes with experience/gear. I would have to say that I don't like to see people clogging up trails any less than you do. It's true that sometimes you get in over your head, and if people are getting winched all the time then it get's lame after a bit.
Still alot of those first time experiences on an over your head trail are what get some people to jump into the game a bit more. I remember my first trip to moab a couple years ago and I was just looking for some average wheeling. I didn't have anything besides a lift and tires, and got in over my head, so much over my head that there was no way I could turn around after going down this trail. It sucked cause I saw this yota crawl right up the trail, rocks and all that I just had the hardest time going down. Me and a buddy ended up racing the clock this afternoon to get back to town on this trail we commited ourselves to with no way of knowing where to go and which way to take and what we would face. Hours later we got out and I will never forget that trip and the decision I made to get more gear for future trips.
I know the ratings and I would say that there's truth to them. You should know what to expect, but in the papers/articles that have those ratings they also mention bypasses and such. I would say that your war is with the people who put those readings together, because that's what new guys read. I would like to hit a trail up with someone else before doing it myself sometimes, it would be less intimidating in a way. But doing it without knowing what's there and getting out kicks ass too!!!
If you lead 50 rigs around then why don't you do yourself a favor and tell all the people who you don't think have what it takes to go do another trail. Make a checklist, you're the leader so you can discriminate can't you? You do that here pretty good from some of the posts I've read. I would too if I have a cool rig that's been in some mags. :bryson:
 
V-DAWG

V-DAWG

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Taylorsville
cruiseroutfit said:
He said... she said... blah blah blah...

Constrictor was never meant to have bypass's period. Nothing more to say... :(
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Whether it was meant to or not, it does, and people will continue to use them until something is done about it.
 
Cody

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Ken said:
You do that here pretty good from some of the posts I've read. I would too if I have a cool rig that's been in some mags. :bryson:
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EDIT: I was drunk last night when I wrote this...I'm not going to edit it or anything but I just want to say that I was mad at the world last night and I really didn't intend for that to be so defensive or pointed or anything. I apologize if it comes off that way...

You're right. We had abount 20 rigs this year that wanted to run pritchett and I let 8 come along. I don't care if you drove from China. If you're not setup for it, you don't run it. Period. Are you man enough to tell someone, to their face, that even though they drove 1500 miles they aren't set up for this trail and can't come along(even though they think they are?)? Will you turn someone away? Have you tried? It's not cool, trust me but it has to be done. Are you dedicated enough to tell your buddy that his rig isn't set up enough to run constrictor? Will you dissapoint him? If you won't man up, then like me or hate me, I will and I have.

Until you do that you can adjust me all you want. I have the same attitude in person as I do on the internet. If you won't, then it's a responsiblity you're not ready for.

I respect you and know you're not trying to mess up our trails. This is about keeping our trails open. I'm prepared to step on some toes if thats what it takes. This isn't about being liked, it's about doing what it takes to keep trails open. If I have to make some people hate me in order to be consistant, so be it. I'm not afraid to cross people or piss them off to do whats right. If I have to be the asshole to keep people honest, then I will. I don't care if you hate me, but you will never wonder if I was dedicated to the cause.

Dont question my leadership, my dedication, or my consistancy. and don't take a cheap shot at me because I've been in some rags. I didn't ask to be in them, I don't pimp their stickers or ask for their exposure. I lead a lot of trails for a lot of different groups every year---partly cause I love to wheel and meet new people and partly because I want to be sure people have a knowledgeable guide to the trails and don't stray off them. Whenever there is media there, I NEVER turn in the spec/release sheet they give me. I don't look for exposure and i don't show off so don't vilify me because I happen to have been in some laim rags.

Cody
 
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Klif01

Klif01

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Denver, CO
Remember when you told me my old red truck wasn't set up enough to make lower hell a couple yeaars ago.....then I got lost going around with the explorer which was also not set up enough?


I didn't take hard feelings, its not like I knew what was up.

So when are we going out to constricter to make a permanent bypass blockage?
 
Cody

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Klif01 said:
Remember when you told me my old red truck wasn't set up enough to make lower hell a couple yeaars ago.....then I got lost going around with the explorer which was also not set up enough?


I didn't take hard feelings, its not like I knew what was up.

So when are we going out to constricter to make a permanent bypass blockage?
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Umm, kinda. Back then I don't think I had a great idea of what Lower was like...I hope i wasn't rude about it.

This spring we need to get a group together and get rid of the bypass. We need to figure out a way to permenantly block it without it looking too 'unnatural'. Thats just what I think...
 
Klif01

Klif01

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Cody said:
Umm, kinda. Back then I don't think I had a great idea of what Lower was like...I hope i wasn't rude about it.

This spring we need to get a group together and get rid of the bypass. We need to figure out a way to permenantly block it without it looking too 'unnatural'. Thats just what I think...
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You weren't rude about it. You were leading the group for the most part, and I was pretty sure you knew what was up....I however didn't know wtf was going on....

Are there any HUGE rocks that might be able to be moved into that spot to block it? I can't remember right off the top of my head, but I'm sure there is somthing that can be put there (with the right amount of effort)
 
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Ken

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Salt Lake
No cody you seem like a reasonable guy that loves wheelin. I don't doubt your efforts. I'm quite the asshole myself!!!!! :mad2: It's all good bro when your down we should toss back some brews or shots. As far as the bypass: Move some big ass rocks over it and dig some holes that will flex out stock rigs to the limit.
 
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