New Pope...
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I heard he said they're not serving the sacrement to gays and lesbians.... right after he finished saying god loves everyone.... hmmm 
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onetuff76 said:Is it me or does it bother anyone else that the new Pope used to be a Hitler Youth?
You should do a little research before you become so bothered.
Ratzinger served in Hitler Youth but opposed Nazis
The new Pope, German Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, served in the Hitler Youth during World War II when membership was compulsory, according to his autobiography.
But his biographers say he was never a member of the Nazi party and his family opposed Adolf Hitler's regime.
Ratzinger's experiences during World War II have been a source of controversy in some newspapers which probed the German Cardinal's past when he became a frontrunner to succeed John Paul II.
In his autobiography Milestone: Memoirs: 1927-1977, Ratzinger said he and his brother Georg were both enrolled in the Hitler Youth when membership was obligatory.
Founded in 1922 and based in Ratzinger's native region of Bavaria, the Hitler Youth was a paramilitary organisation of the Nazi Party.
It was disbanded in 1923 but re-established in 1926, a year after the Nazi Party was recognised.
Members of the Hitler Youth wore uniforms resembling those of the Nazi Party.
"Neither Ratzinger nor any member of his family was a National Socialist," John Allen wrote in a biography of Ratzinger entitled Cardinal Ratzinger: The Vatican's Enforcer of the Faith.
Allen quoted Ratzinger, who was born in 1927, as saying his father's criticism of the Nazis forced the family to move home four times.
"As a seminarian, he was briefly enrolled in the Hitler Youth in the early 1940s, though he was never a member of the Nazi party," Allen, a Vatican specialist, wrote in an article published in National Catholic Reporter in 1999.
"In 1943 he was conscripted into an anti-aircraft unit guarding a BMW plant outside Munich," Mr Allen wrote.
US POW
Allen said Ratzinger was later sent to Austria's border with Hungary to erect tank traps.
"After being shipped back to Bavaria, he deserted. When the war ended, he was an American prisoner of war," he said.
Allen said that under Hitler, "Ratzinger says he watched the Nazis twist and distort the truth".
"Their lies about Jews, about genetics, were more than academic exercises. People died by the millions because of them," he said.
Peter Seewald, a German journalist who published a book-length interview with Ratzinger in 1996 entitled Salt of the Earth, said the German "clearly saw Hitler and the Third Reich as the enemy" to both family and church.
Ratzinger's father "saw that a victory of Hitler would not be a victory for Germany but a victory of the Antichrist", Seewald's US publisher, Ignatius Press, wrote in a summary of Seewald's book.
"In 1943 while still in seminary, he was drafted at age 16 into the German anti-aircraft corps," Ignatius said. "Though he was opposed to the Nazis, he was forced to join at a young age."
Ratzinger trained in the German infantry but a subsequent illness kept him from doing "the usual rigours of military duty", Ignatius said.
"As the Allied front drew closer to his post in 1945, he escaped from the Nazis and returned to his family's home in Traunstein, just as American troops established their headquarters in the Ratzinger household," Ignatius said.
It said he was put in a US prisoner of war camp but released a few months later at the end of the war in 1945.
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I really don't see the problem in that. Just because they can't take sacrement doesn't mean God doesn't love them.Chiksic said:I heard he said they're not serving the sacrement to gays and lesbians.... right after he finished saying god loves everyone.... hmmm
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Hickey said:
It's just like... God loves everyone, BUT.... then you can finish it with whatever you want. God loves everyone, but he loves heterosexuals more. Or, God loves everyone, but homosexuals aren't good enough to receive the sacrament.
I mean, honestly the whole thing doesn't make any sense to me. I'm no where near being Catholic but I have attended Mass, and the way it was set up, at least when I went, was anyone could go up and take the sacrament. Hell, I could've if I wanted to and I'm not Catholic. But now, somehow, they're going to ban homosexual Catholics from taking it.... It just makes me wonder, morally, why, and out of curiosity how?
onetuff76 said:Is it me or does it bother anyone else that the new Pope used to be a Hitler Youth?
You probably would have been too, had you been in the wrong place at the wrong time. Besides I thought one of the basic tenants of Christianity was that of having past sins forgiven. Am I wrong??
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I'm sure you still can take it, as long as you are not advertising your sexual preference right there in mass. He probably meant that they would not condone or endorse Gay people partaking of the sacrament. Sacriledge (SP?) comes into play. It clearly states in the bible that homosexuality is an abomination. Should the Church change it's policies to reflect modern society? That would be stupid.Chiksic said:
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*shrug* I guess that's why I can't stand organized religion.Hickey said:
BioNuke1 said:Fascinating, simply fascina...... Zzzzzzzzzzz.....
Onetuff76 just wanted somebody else to do it for him
I love getting other people to the digging
Yeah I didn't dive very much into the research on it, but hell its finals and I've been sick the past two days. So bite me!
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Hickey said:
I can think of another religion that does that
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HUH?Chiksic said:*shrug* I guess that's why I can't stand organized religion.
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Because it's rigid and uncompromising and based on ancient traditions.
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I believe that is exactly one reason why people like religion.Chiksic said:
For instance, say the Catholic church decided to allow it's members to have an abortion. Should they do that because of a current trend in society? Should they allow their members to use birth control because of society? What about sex between man and animal? When does that become acceptable for the church? If it does, then what would be the point of church?
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James K
NO, I'm always like this
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I think you should do what is right for yourself, without infringing on the rights and beliefs of your fellow man, while still staying true to yourself.