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New trails- the procedure

Kiel

Kiel

Formerly WJ ZUK
Well I'm sure this will bring up some drama, what is the procedure for starting/finding new trails. I know that there is obviously some cool possibilities out there, that will just take some research. But where do you start? Do people just start running stuff that becomes a legitamate trail? Do they start out with a type 2477 or whatever road and go from there? Or do people just run stuff and keep int on the DL until it become public knowledge?

Where do you start, what line don 't you cross. I'm not tlaking about running heavy equipment and cutting down trees, just running stuff thats there with minimal impact to otherword in my opinion useless land with no attributes.
 
Cody

Cody

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Gastown
useless to you. to many 'roadless' and 'untouched by man' are positive attributes. me included.

I think it's only through due dilligence this can happen. Obviously rs2477 claims are the easiest, but there are few abandoned roads out there that offer the qualities that we look for that are abandoned.

Land. Who owns/administers it? BLM, SITLA, State, private? What are the rules on the land? Open to free travel?

For instance, in some BLM areas any wash is open for vehicular travel. Not sure if this is the case in Utah, but I know in Nevada or AZ (one of those) if it's a wash and its on BLM property they don't care if you drive up it.

If its an old mining claim you could get somewhere on the platform of historical significance. Private land you just need the land owners permission.

anyway. Kurt is the expert so when he gets his spoiled ass back from hawaii I'm sure he'll chime in.

Cody
 
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scoutabout

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If it's an open area, then you can travel up anything. However, there aren't many of those left. The ones that are still around will be redesignated to "established routes only" by next year. Everyone knows that every Forest unit and BLM office in the country is required to produce a new travel plan in the next two years right?

The best way to do it is to scout out possible trails. There are dozens in the 5MP area alone. None of them are established roads, and they never were. But they would be sweet trails. Ok, so now we know about some cool possible trails. How do we get them legalized so people can run them?

Maintain excellent relations with the land manager. Land managers are people too, and people will help their friends when they can. If a 4x4 group is out at 5MP once a month doing service projects, we'll have a much better chance to get new things legalized. We need to organize monthly (or even more frequently), official clean-ups to "get in good" so to speak.
 
Kiel

Kiel

Formerly WJ ZUK
Cody said:
useless to you. to many 'roadless' and 'untouched by man' are positive attributes. me included.

I understand that untouched by man is a beneficial part to many pieces of land, but how is a washed out road/ravine etc usefull for much else then what we use it for?
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Dart

Dart

Banned
Location
Utah
There is a place out in Five mile that has a old road going up it, you can still see the dozer marks. It has 2 old mining areas up it and a mining clam stake. Will that help out on the opening. It may be on the boarder of open use area. the problem is i know that everyone who has seen it worries it will turn out like RS&CON. But hey it is a new trail.
 
mbryson

mbryson

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Bountiful, land of rocks
Dart said:
There is a place out in Five mile that has a old road going up it, you can still see the dozer marks. It has 2 old mining areas up it and a mining clam stake. Will that help out on the opening. It may be on the boarder of open use area. the problem is i know that everyone who has seen it worries it will turn out like RS&CON. But hey it is a new trail.
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You gonna show it to us in Nov.?
 
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scoutabout

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Check out this post:

http://www.rockymountainextreme.com/showthread.php?t=37215

There's a chance that some of these "secret" trails are already on the inventory. If they are, we can make a case to open them and make them legal. If they aren't we might be able to get them added. If we don't know about them, we can't fight for them. Stuff that isn't on the new travel plan to be released next summer will be nearly impossible to open in the future. Now is our chance to try and get a few of these routes on the maps.
 
Seth

Seth

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2 weeks from everywhere
I understand not wanting to tell everyone about a special spot but let steve or kurt know so we can add it to the utah state list, and the BLM inventory and fight for it.
 
mbryson

mbryson

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Bountiful, land of rocks
nanoman said:
I understand not wanting to tell everyone about a special spot but let steve or kurt know so we can add it to the utah state list, and the BLM inventory and fight for it.
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I think that's the most important thing. Let's get everything was or is a trail on the list. We'll work out who runs it later on.....

Bart said:
Marc, you get the ring, I'll find out the handshake.
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Works for me......
 
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scoutabout

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In addition to our efforts to work with the SL BLM, the state is trying to collect an inventory of all trails or possible trails. The idea is to setup the infrastructure to defend these roads in the future.
 
Dart

Dart

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Location
Utah
WJzuke has the GPS cords on it. I have pictures of a road, tha you can plainly see. i think I will go out and take more photos and more GPs cord to the trail and a few others.
 
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