53 willys said:how many of these broke axles came from a narrowed portal axle and how many were full width? Most of the broke axles I have seen have been narrowed!
I have only seen one pic of a 404 full width with broke portal box on PBB all the others have been narrowed, leave them stock and maybe you wont have that problem. Nothing is BOMBPROOF
So, tell me about portal axles.
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RockMonkey
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Same width as a full-width 60. Many are making those work for comps.grinch said:
grinch
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You can make anything work but is it worth it???? I am willing to bet that in the pro class you wont see any of the top placers running full width axles....RockMonkey said:
Im not saying full with is bad I plan on running them on my jeep. They just arnt good for the comps.... Look at St george. The cones were so tight that in some places you could barley squeeze a full with axle throuth them let alone line up for the next gate.
RockMonkey
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St. George was a special case.grinch said:
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A agree with Mark... stock Mog axles used for a trail rig are more than enough.
grinch
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RockMonkey said:
It was to a certain extent
but im betting that courses are still set up a little different than in the past. Each to thier own... Im still going to have to go with the narrower axles and 60's comming out on top in the comp scene. In the real world factory full width is deffinantly more stable and easier to get parts for. Thats why im not narrowing my 14 bolt and 60.... guess It just depends on your application
sukaB said:
You have no clue !
If you are beliving that a D60 or a 14B is stronger than a Mog , you must smoke some weird ****.
You think because one guy here from UT is breaking his ****y build 404s they are weak, no they are not weak. How many broken D60 are out there ?? Alot !!
Don`t bash an axle you dont know !
A 416 or a U1300 is way stronger than a 2 1/2 ton Rockwell
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RockMonkey said:
Oh, I get it... like Special Olympics...
Unichev
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There are many advantages that the 404 mogs have over the 60 and the 14 bolt. First off, How about 5 to 6 inches of clearance gains. Doesnt seam like much, but why are people spending the time to shave an inch off their standard axle.
Second, Turning Radius. I just got my front steering setup this weekend, and Believe it or not, My Longbed chev Truck with 42's will turn sharper then my STOCK 84 jimmy. And that doesnt include the extra turning I will get when I get the Back end as high as the front.(its sitting on a 10 bolt with 31's and a 4 shackle flip, the rear is sitting 17 inches lower then where it will end up.)
3rd Strength to weight Ratio(I know, that sounds stupid) But the 404 axle weighs about the same as the 60. But, it does weigh more then the 14 bolt. But, its where you want the wieght, down low. And they are much stronger then a 60, and the 14 bolt, even as strong as it is.
fourthThe C/V joints are much better then the single U-joint axle shaft. It wont give you that shimmy when hitting the gas while turning. They also used higher quality material on the axle shafts. Making them stronger. Also, the axle shafts are different diameters making the shafts the same strength.
Fifth Stock Cable lockers.
The only down sides I see, like mentioned ealier, is the pinion, and the diff offset.
And for me, it was almost as cheap to go upgrade to mogs compared to upgrading my 60 and 14 bolt. It cost $4500 for the mogs. And that came with, rear steer, disc brakes f&r, selectable lockers f&r, and high clearance diffs, and pinion conversions. I also went to a ford 205 on my doubler so I had to change that. It was around a $1000. And I also went to 42's with Hummer wheels. I got the wheels for $15 a piece at a local government surplus. And I found the Runflats on CK5 for a $100. So theres another $1360. (I would of had to buy the 42's anyway because of the 39.5's wearing out. So thats $6860 for almost everything. But, you have the subtract what I sold the stuff I had. I sold my, 60, 14bolt, doubler, and my beadlocked 39.5's for $3700. So that was only $3160 to go to the Mogs.
But If I wanted to upgrade the stuff I had, I would of spent around $1300 for the ARB in the front(to upgrade the Trac Lock),$375 for the 35 spline outers(to hold up to the stress of the biggers tires and the locker), probably around $300 to the disc brake kit on the 14 bolt, around $800 for a selectable locker for the 14 bolt(and thats if it ever comes out).
So thats $2775 for the upgrades, but I still have the single U-joint that doesn't let me steer worth a shiat, and I also get the shimmy when turned sharp, I get 5-6 inches less clearance, No Rear Steer, and weaker axles. And I also Have what about a million other people have.
I also beleive when narrowing the axles, if done right, doesnt make them any weaker. Daniel at killeraxles has had narrowed 404s in his truck and has not broke anything on them. Thats with a fullsize truck, 39.5s, and a 6.2 diesel. And if you dont think a 6.2 can break anything, lets put mine up against what ever you got(drivetrain wise) and I bet it could break it just as easy as a good running big block.
Second, Turning Radius. I just got my front steering setup this weekend, and Believe it or not, My Longbed chev Truck with 42's will turn sharper then my STOCK 84 jimmy. And that doesnt include the extra turning I will get when I get the Back end as high as the front.(its sitting on a 10 bolt with 31's and a 4 shackle flip, the rear is sitting 17 inches lower then where it will end up.)
3rd Strength to weight Ratio(I know, that sounds stupid) But the 404 axle weighs about the same as the 60. But, it does weigh more then the 14 bolt. But, its where you want the wieght, down low. And they are much stronger then a 60, and the 14 bolt, even as strong as it is.
fourthThe C/V joints are much better then the single U-joint axle shaft. It wont give you that shimmy when hitting the gas while turning. They also used higher quality material on the axle shafts. Making them stronger. Also, the axle shafts are different diameters making the shafts the same strength.
Fifth Stock Cable lockers.
The only down sides I see, like mentioned ealier, is the pinion, and the diff offset.
And for me, it was almost as cheap to go upgrade to mogs compared to upgrading my 60 and 14 bolt. It cost $4500 for the mogs. And that came with, rear steer, disc brakes f&r, selectable lockers f&r, and high clearance diffs, and pinion conversions. I also went to a ford 205 on my doubler so I had to change that. It was around a $1000. And I also went to 42's with Hummer wheels. I got the wheels for $15 a piece at a local government surplus. And I found the Runflats on CK5 for a $100. So theres another $1360. (I would of had to buy the 42's anyway because of the 39.5's wearing out. So thats $6860 for almost everything. But, you have the subtract what I sold the stuff I had. I sold my, 60, 14bolt, doubler, and my beadlocked 39.5's for $3700. So that was only $3160 to go to the Mogs.
But If I wanted to upgrade the stuff I had, I would of spent around $1300 for the ARB in the front(to upgrade the Trac Lock),$375 for the 35 spline outers(to hold up to the stress of the biggers tires and the locker), probably around $300 to the disc brake kit on the 14 bolt, around $800 for a selectable locker for the 14 bolt(and thats if it ever comes out).
So thats $2775 for the upgrades, but I still have the single U-joint that doesn't let me steer worth a shiat, and I also get the shimmy when turned sharp, I get 5-6 inches less clearance, No Rear Steer, and weaker axles. And I also Have what about a million other people have.
I also beleive when narrowing the axles, if done right, doesnt make them any weaker. Daniel at killeraxles has had narrowed 404s in his truck and has not broke anything on them. Thats with a fullsize truck, 39.5s, and a 6.2 diesel. And if you dont think a 6.2 can break anything, lets put mine up against what ever you got(drivetrain wise) and I bet it could break it just as easy as a good running big block.
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RockMonkey
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How does adding 17 inches of lift in the rear decrease your turning radius?
Welcome to RME, by the way.
Welcome to RME, by the way.
Unichev
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RockMonkey said:How does adding 17 inches of lift in the rear decrease your turning radius?
Welcome to RME, by the way.
Well my caster is at about 12-15 degrees. Screwing up my turning Geometry.
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onetuff76 said:
Regular Mog axles are $$$$.
Mog 9's are $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
My summary,
