To winch or not to winch?
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Maverick
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slamurai said:
It pulled my arse up out of a nice hole...barely. I do remember that it sucked.
I had some Ramsey 5000's on 2 stocker Nissan fleet pickups, one burned up and was warranteed.
I want an 8274 (drool)
but I sure do LOVE my M8000 that I got for FREE. It's winched my arse out, pulled out trees, moved logs, pulled out friends, moved stuff in the yard, etc, etc. Mostly, it lets you know that you can get out/through if you have a problem. I carry a snatch and a clevis or two (clevis's? clevises? clevii?) 2 30' straps and a 20' chain.Not sold on the rope yet. Damn expensive...
Maverick
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I Lean said:That's just cuz you haven't used it yet. I'm so afraid of cable, it's..um...scary.
What's the difference between seeing it used, being around it when it's being used, and using it? (ie, owning the winch that it's on).
The pro's and con's are still the same, right? What is so neat about the rope? (not being sarcastic, just really want to know what is worth the expense)
Is it performance? Safety? Ease of use? Durability? What about the heat dissipation issue? Is that real? or just an excuse that Warn used up front since they didn't have a rope on the market? Can you get more on the spool? What about spooling out? What about going over rocks? I've heard and read arguments on both sides. (the rock protector that goes on the rope is worthless if it isn't in the right spot or if it moves). I'm guessing it's the same with snatches or pulleys, and easier to redirect using bars or solid fairleads rather than roller.
tv_larsen
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tweakeyjeep said:
Actually the MM 9000E can be easily found on sale for well under $400, and the MM 12000E can also be easily found on sale for well under $600.
Warn makes some awesome winches, but I suppose you need to seriously ask yourself how much winch you need, then error on the larger/better side.
Maverick said:
Holy questions!!!
The only real difference is time of exposure to it, and hands-on junk. Hands-on matters because you can handle it with bare hands with no fear of losing a digit, and because it weighs so little. I didn't realize how sold I was on rope until I was around someone using cable again, and was scared of it.
Performance: Yes and no. If both are in good shape, a cable and a rope will both pull you, so no real difference there.
Safety: Yes. The rope doesn't kill you if/when it breaks.
Ease of use: Yes. The handling and weight issue mentioned before, plus the non-kinking nature of rope. One (possibly poor) example...I've seen rope wrapped around something (rock) and hooked back to itself when there wasn't a strap available. That's death to a cable, since it'll kink right there. Not a problem with rope, although it's still not a recommended practice.
Durability: Yes and no. A cable will take being rubbed on a rock much better than a rope will. However, the cable WON'T take being crossed over itself on the drum like a rope will. Also, if you cut a rope on a rock, you can splice it back together and be on your merry way, no need to buy another one.
Heat: I've still never seen or heard of a problem with it. The drum won't get warm at all unless you're spooling out under power, against the brake. Most of us don't power out very far at a time, making it a moot issue.
More on the spool: Sometimes. Unless you're dead-set on getting the longest winch rope you can physically fit, I'd say stick with 100' or 125' on most winches. Even though the rope lays flatter on the drum, you'll frequently have it all bunch up on one side of the drum under use, so it's nice to have the extra room.
What about spooling out: Either rope or cable can get jammed on the drum. I've never had any major issues with either one though, so I can't comment on that one like some people can.
Did I get 'em all?
Floppy Hat
mbryson's hairdresser
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I Lean said:
Was that me?? I still haven't given you my insurance info.
Floppy Hat said:Was that me?? I still haven't given you my insurance info.
HAhahaha, you were one of 'em.
I was more scared on Upper Helldorado over Thanksgiving though---more load on the cable, and more kinks in it as well. (brand new cable, but was used once--therefore ruined)I'll still get your insurance info though--gotta fix those scratches somehow.
RockMonkey
Suddenly Enthusiastic
It sucked in every way a winch could suck.slamurai said:
Pull speed was slow, but that wasn't a big deal.
The brake quickly stopped working, so if you let up on the button, it would release the load.
The solenoids were in a box that was unsealable (despite my best efforts). They would get wet and burn up.
Perhaps the worst part, there is a plastic washer inside the motor seperating the positive lead from the case. Hot/cold cycles made it brittle and it fell apart, causing instant short-out.
When it was working it was easy to overload it, and stall it.
The pins where the remote plugged in became brittle, and broke off.
It was a major pain just trying to keep it working, and when it did work it never worked very well. A winch is there to be used when you (or some other knucklehead) is stuck, and when you need it, you need it. It totally sucks when you go to use it and it doesn't work.
My Warn has performed flawlessly EVERY time I've used it. Don't know that I've ever talked to a person who doesn't like Warn winches... I'm sure there's a few out there.
supergper said:
if you are interested her eis the winch I was talking about...I believe $499 is the regular price on this winch...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6763&item=2459806745
tweakeyjeep
Soccer Mom
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supergper said:
Sweet...
Should I make a new thread about Warn and Milemarker or is it fine how it is?
Sorry for the hijack!
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tweakeyjeep said:Sweet...
Should I make a new thread about Warn and Milemarker or is it fine how it is?
Sorry for the hijack!
I think we are fine......kind of a 'natural progression' type discussion......
mbryson said:
I have a MileMarker Winch the 9000 LBS one. I just bought it and haven't used it. It isn't mounted yet since I don't have a winch mount. I am hoping this is a good buy? Anyone USED one ever before? Does it have the same problems as the Ramsey? Where can I find a good priced "Cheep" winch mount?
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tweakeyjeep said:
go ahead and waste your money on a milemarker. Rockmonkey has already shown you several very good prices on new warns, and you can get the m8000 (the old school winch - I might have the model number wrong) for very cheap
tweakeyjeep
Soccer Mom
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BlackSheep said:
Wasn't that the point of my question? To see other's opinions.
I was just expressing that money is an issue for me, but I think I'm going to save up the extra dough and spend it on a Warn, or maybe even that Magnum.
RockMonkey
Suddenly Enthusiastic
I'd like to see someone try that Magnum. It comes out of the Warn factory, how bad can it be?tweakeyjeep said:Wasn't that the point of my question? To see other's opinions.
I was just expressing that money is an issue for me, but I think I'm going to save up the extra dough and spend it on a Warn, or maybe even that Magnum.
tweakeyjeep
Soccer Mom
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RockMonkey said:
Even though it's made by Warn, could it be made in Taiwan? Or some other country where all the parts on it are cheap? I'd want to do some more research and hear some feedback before I got one.
Kinda why I asked about the Milemarker's. I know that their Hydro ones on the Army Hummer's work good, as long as the Hummer is running. But what do they need to worry about, if it gets stuck just spend the Taxpayer's money and get another hummer!
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tweakeyjeep said:Wasn't that the point of my question? To see other's opinions.
I was just expressing that money is an issue for me, but I think I'm going to save up the extra dough and spend it on a Warn, or maybe even that Magnum.
Sorry Tweakey, I got a little carried away, and didn't read all the later posts before I replied to that one. I do think you should purchase what you believe in, and although I've never used any other type of winch, Warn has built a very solid reputation, and I have never regretted paying the money for it. I put a rope on it last year, and have used it a number of times to aid rigs in recovery at the UROC events.
A quick note on ropes, Rockmonkey's rope snapped while hooked to my rig, and the rope dropped like you had lifted it from waist high and dropped it. Straight to the ground with no recoil whatsoever. He was very stuck though, and they had to pull him off the obstacle backwards to get him out.