RWH said:
I agree. They didn't like me calling it "archaic" and comparing to to wheeling a handcart.
First off, the first thing I did was suggest to come over here to RME if you didn't like the list. (since Greg is the ONLY one that has stepped up to create a U4 forum, here or anywhere). Yup, I just checked the archive: That's the first thing I did. Ian and Marc had already replied about RME's U4 forum, and I added the following "
This email list is here if you want to use it...if you like forums better, RME is the place to be." I'm not sure how that puts me against RME.
Email lists serve one purpose, forums serve another. Both are good. That list is just there as a tool...and just barely at that. It may not be the best tool for every task every time, but it works for some people. (kind of a stretch to think of Bart as "old-school"). Anyway, it works better than cc'ing everyone, which it replaced. And it comes to me, rather than having me go to it. Just a preference. These days I tow my junk with a td rather than a gasser, even though it's a f*rd. Right? Wrong? No, just a preference.
Second, I guess I'm the "old school member" referred to. I offended Greg at the winter convention and again on the list, (and perhaps before, I don't know). I didn't mean to, but I did. I have apologized directly to him. I admire and respect what he's done here, and appreciate the support he's given U4. I don't think anyone ever asked him, he's just done it. The things that I don't like about RME, he told me he doesn't like either. He's done a helluva job. I don't know how to be any more clear than that.
Third: No one except for Greg has ever offered to do a forum for U4. Oops, I said that already. Anyway, that's why there is not a forum at the U4 website. It's not that U4 is too old-school to have a forum. It is that U4 is just a bunch of volunteers, none of which knew how to do it until recently and no one has ever volunteered to do it until Greg did here at RME and again when Greg offered to link it to the U4 website.
You've heard it before: U4 is just a bunch of volunteers and members...folks on the board are just people that either wanted to help or wanted to do it better. That's why I joined in the early 90's, I wanted to belong to a state association that put on more trail rides and events, in addition to the land use stuff. Back then, changing the lift law was a pipe dream. Funding local "trail openings" is the next pipe dream I suppose. Cardiff Fork anyone? Pittsburg? Or maybe an Area BFE type thing...
Fourth: I was part of the discussion/decision to count online groups such as RME and jeep-slc as clubs. We should have done it long ago. We really didn't even think about it, until folks from RME started joining and brought it up. (most board members are members of both jslc, RME and others)
Lunchtime (and my forum viewing opportunity for the day) is about over.
See you on the trail.
Brett (hoping I cleared some things up and didn't make it worse)
