Awesome Marc! I'm actually impressed how well they held up to the .223, that's not bad at all. I still think my "official" recommendation will be rimfire rifles, or handguns.
You know what to do.
Walking Targets, by I Lean
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Awesome Marc! I'm actually impressed how well they held up to the .223, that's not bad at all. I still think my "official" recommendation will be rimfire rifles, or handguns.
You know what to do.
Brian P
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Got mine, Gave one to my brother, He liked it as well.
Thanks again.
Thanks again.
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Here's the updates on the 3/8" target. They are holding up exceptionally well to rifle calibers. .223 didn't even phase the 3/8" and just turned the target over one target at a time. Great match for the design and the round didn't do much noticeable damage (let's call that "impact erosion"?).
The 30-06 is still bringing a LOAD. Knocking the target over about two-four times per impact, but it's walking the target as well. There is more "impact erosion" but very acceptable.
I ran out of daylight to check the pistol rounds out. Here's the pics of the 3/8" with the 30-06.
The 30-06 is still bringing a LOAD. Knocking the target over about two-four times per impact, but it's walking the target as well. There is more "impact erosion" but very acceptable.
I ran out of daylight to check the pistol rounds out. Here's the pics of the 3/8" with the 30-06.
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sixstringsteve
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very impressive. Are those the 1.5x size, or are they the original size?
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After my semi-recent sniper experiences, my scope was WAY off (shooting WAY low). As you can tell, I walked the impacts into the aiming point. (which was a sticker but they only last about one impact with that much lead coming apart upon contact)
I was aimed dead center on the target and shot that low from 50 yards. Obviously off a little. The second shot that is right of center and about the right height was aimed above the target.
This image shows how I started making scope adjustments and ultimately got high, then back to dead-center.
The above are repeated impacts in the vulnerable areas of the target to test (making scope adjustments ) for catastrophic failure like the 1/4" material. If you'll look closely at the two shots in the neck area, the lower impact is contained quite well by the target. The upper impact is maybe 1/8-1/4" off the lower and it responded by blowing out some material from the edge. The bigger "craters" are 180 grain rounds. The upper center impact blowing all the paint off is kind of impressive to me.
I was aimed dead center on the target and shot that low from 50 yards. Obviously off a little. The second shot that is right of center and about the right height was aimed above the target.
This image shows how I started making scope adjustments and ultimately got high, then back to dead-center.
The above are repeated impacts in the vulnerable areas of the target to test (making scope adjustments
) for catastrophic failure like the 1/4" material. If you'll look closely at the two shots in the neck area, the lower impact is contained quite well by the target. The upper impact is maybe 1/8-1/4" off the lower and it responded by blowing out some material from the edge. The bigger "craters" are 180 grain rounds. The upper center impact blowing all the paint off is kind of impressive to me.
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I'm not sure. I Lean may need to respond to that. I could measure, but the targets are at my house and I've got some long workdays this week. I'll not be willing to measure until possibly Friday/Sat.
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- Bountiful, land of rocks
Just chatting with another RME'r re: his experience with the 1/4" ar500. He shot his targets at approx. Ten yards and experienced failure similar to what I experienced with the 30-06. Made me look up some data from my Winchester ballistics app on my iPad.
.223, 55 grain fmj
0 yards-3240 fps
15 yards-3181 fps
30 yards-3122 fps
45 yards-3065 fps
60 yards-3008 fps
30-06-150 grain
0 yards-2910 fps
15 yards-2866 fps
30 yards-2822 fps
45 yards-2779 fps
60 yards-2736 fps
30-06-180 grain
0 yards-2700 fps
15 yards-2665 fps
30 yards-2631fps
45 yards-2597 fps
60 yards-2530 fps
So, with that data, I'm assuming 200 fps is the barrier of where the 1/4" will fail?
The 30-06 being 150 and 180 grain are just a totally different animal than the cute little .223 round. Fast it is, but mass still wins. With that kind of info, I think I Lean's recommendation of the 1/4" for pistols and rimfires is sound. I was pretty surprised at the strength increase of the 3/8". The .223 is a great match for it as it just turns the target walking it. It takes a good shot to hit these buggers. I do a fair bit of bunny hunting so I consider myself a fair standing position shooter (I cheat with my sling). I'm about 2-3 out of 10 hitting the 1/4" targets from standing position. Maybe 3-4 out of ten on the bigger target with the AR-15.
From a stabilized (in this case, crouching with my gun supported from wood on my tailgate and my body stabilized against the tailgate--almost as "calm" of a position as prone but not quite as comfortable) position, I can hit 8-10 out of 10 on either target (if my crosshairs are "right"). Hard to position shots on the target, though. Doesn't matter which gun. (I need to get me some of those orange fake bullets for the 30-06 one of these days--I caught myself starting to flinch a few times)
.223, 55 grain fmj
0 yards-3240 fps
15 yards-3181 fps
30 yards-3122 fps
45 yards-3065 fps
60 yards-3008 fps
30-06-150 grain
0 yards-2910 fps
15 yards-2866 fps
30 yards-2822 fps
45 yards-2779 fps
60 yards-2736 fps
30-06-180 grain
0 yards-2700 fps
15 yards-2665 fps
30 yards-2631fps
45 yards-2597 fps
60 yards-2530 fps
So, with that data, I'm assuming 200 fps is the barrier of where the 1/4" will fail?
The 30-06 being 150 and 180 grain are just a totally different animal than the cute little .223 round.
Fast it is, but mass still wins. With that kind of info, I think I Lean's recommendation of the 1/4" for pistols and rimfires is sound. I was pretty surprised at the strength increase of the 3/8". The .223 is a great match for it as it just turns the target walking it. It takes a good shot to hit these buggers. I do a fair bit of bunny hunting so I consider myself a fair standing position shooter (I cheat with my sling). I'm about 2-3 out of 10 hitting the 1/4" targets from standing position. Maybe 3-4 out of ten on the bigger target with the AR-15.From a stabilized (in this case, crouching with my gun supported from wood on my tailgate and my body stabilized against the tailgate--almost as "calm" of a position as prone but not quite as comfortable) position, I can hit 8-10 out of 10 on either target (if my crosshairs are "right"). Hard to position shots on the target, though. Doesn't matter which gun. (I need to get me some of those orange fake bullets for the 30-06 one of these days--I caught myself starting to flinch a few times)
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I've got a .17 and a .20 that I'd like to shoot the AR500 with just for grins. I suspect, that both will burn clear through at anything under about 25 yards, as both are running heavy for caliber bullets at well over 4100 fps. The .20 is running 40's at 4400+, in fact. Could be totally wrong about them burning through though. Maybe they'll just splatter. Velocity can make for some strange results.
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muleskinner
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My 204 won't touch it @ 100 yards. You can barely even tell where it hits the steel. I'm shooting 32gr Hornady V-Max loaded with 30.5 grains of H335. Ran these over the chrono @ 4306 average FPS from my Encore.
(I'm sure you are shooting a wildcat .20 knowing you
but you get what I'm saying with the .204)At 25 yards it is going 4038fps with 1159lbs of energy
At 100 yards it is going 3322fps with 784lbs of energy
Do you think @ 25 yards it will make that much of a difference?
My 300 REM won't even touch the 3/8 plate @ 100 yards with 180gr Barnes triple shock ripping along @ 3300fps (shoots through regular 3/8's plate like it's butter) I've got some 125gr ballistic tips that shoot at 3900fps that are great rabbit loads
That will be an interesting test.
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What was he doing shooting with the .223 at only 10 yards?
I didn't get an answer to that other than that they were hard to hit. Text conversation, not like there was a lot of interchange
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- West Bountiful, UT
(I'm sure you are shooting a wildcat .20 knowing you
Do you think @ 25 yards it will make that much of a difference?
You are correct
. I've got an assortment of .20 caliber wildcats, actually. Two .20BR's, a .20-250 and the "Big Twenty" my .20 Dasher. The BR's are the "smallest" but even they have quite a bit more capacity than the .204 Ruger, working load in them has 32 Vmax at 4500 fps. I have not tried anything lighter than a 39 gr. Blitzking in the Dasher, but I bet it could safely launch those 32's up around 4700-4800 fps.Anyway... I really don't know if 25 yards will make much of a difference or not. Heck, I'm not sure the bullets will even leave a mark, although I suspect they will. Reason I'm interested, is we were shooting some mild plate last year, not sure exactly how thick, but it was some heavy stuff, more than 5/8", and my "little" .17 (also a wildcat, 30 gr. at 4100...) was penetrating MUCH deeper than my buddies '06 with 180 gr. Partitions. That surprised us! Best guess as to why, is just the pure velocity. Which is why I "think" being within 25 yards as opposed to further away might make a real difference.
Or, not! I really don't know
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----sarcasm, joke, take lightly---
Maybe he had to get that close to be able to hit it
.I joke, but, first time I tried shooting my Walking Target, with my Win. 52, I had to get up to about 15 yards before I could hit it. Turned out my scope was off "just a tad..."
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----sarcasm, joke, take lightly---
Maybe he had to get that close to be able to hit it
I joke, but, first time I tried shooting my Walking Target, with my Win. 52, I had to get up to about 15 yards before I could hit it. Turned out my scope was off "just a tad..."
That's kind of what it sounded like to me.
We got out and shot the new style ones today. What a blast! We shot a bunch of handguns at them. The .22 would tip them over okay but everything else really got them moving. ton of fun. 9mm, 40 S/W, 38 and 10mm really made them dance. Shooting from ~10 to 20 yards, they took at least 50 hits each not including the 22s. No damage at all. Not exactly red hot jets of lead at 1100 to 1400 fpm.
Thanks Carl!
Thanks Carl!
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Took mine out today to try with my new 10/22, what a blast these things are! It was great fun for each of us to take a clip and see who's target walked further. Good times.
My only complaint is that the allen bolt is SAE. Who in their right mind uses anything SAE these days?
My only complaint is that the allen bolt is SAE. Who in their right mind uses anything SAE these days?
My only complaint is that the allen bolt is SAE. Who in their right mind uses anything SAE these days?
Everyone who isn't a communist.