what are you guys paying for welding gas?

jp008

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Location
Heber City
I use flux core in my 250amp welder and have had NO problems what-so-ever. If the welder is set correctly you will have very little spatter and a very clean looking weld.

I will still eventually get a 25/75 mix but for now I am very happy with what I have. I have also noticed that the mixture is a little easier to weld with if the steel is a bit dirty.


my$.02
 

James K

NO, I'm always like this
Location
Taylorsville, Ut
Originally posted by supergper


I really dont know...I think the co2 mix will but I dont think it is much of a difference because with either one you should have a pretty clean weld...:confused:

That was my thinking. But I guess the more detailed question would be what gives less spatter?
 

Caleb

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Location
Riverton
Originally posted by James K


That was my thinking. But I guess the more detailed question would be what gives less spatter?

again I think less spatter would be given by the mix but I think to most people the difference wouldn;t be noticeable...a lot of the time spatter is a factor of other things (wire speed, brand of wire, etc)
 

shmoesmith

Registered User
I have no probs doing any fab with my 110...it penetrates 1/4" just fine, all the way through....and with me welding on a samurai, about the biggest i have to weld is 3/16", which it penetrates without a prolem on its 2nd highest power setting...I was also looking at going gas for the spatter reasons...the inital flux core wire i got was awesome..from the same company that makes my welder, daytona mig(these are the guys that make snap-on welders)but the 2nd roll of flux core i got from wasatch steel was sh*t and it had lots of spatter and was crazy difficult to work with...i dont know if it was dirty wire or what, but the stuff could not weld..the stuff from daytona was like point and shoot and you got a perfect weld...so spatter and quality of wire is definatly a problem with flux core and i dotn want to wait for more mail-order wire to come...the other problem with flux core is its like $17 for a 2lb spool, compared to $6 for regular wire...does the cost of gas comprable 2 the extra money spent on flux core? I dotn know since I have never used gas, but I'm thinking it might be cheaper....anyway, just my observations.
 

Caleb

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Location
Riverton
Originally posted by shmoesmith
I have no probs doing any fab with my 110...it penetrates 1/4" just fine, all the way through....and with me welding on a samurai, about the biggest i have to weld is 3/16", which it penetrates without a prolem on its 2nd highest power setting...I was also looking at going gas for the spatter reasons...the inital flux core wire i got was awesome..from the same company that makes my welder, daytona mig(these are the guys that make snap-on welders)but the 2nd roll of flux core i got from wasatch steel was sh*t and it had lots of spatter and was crazy difficult to work with...i dont know if it was dirty wire or what, but the stuff could not weld..the stuff from daytona was like point and shoot and you got a perfect weld...so spatter and quality of wire is definatly a problem with flux core and i dotn want to wait for more mail-order wire to come...the other problem with flux core is its like $17 for a 2lb spool, compared to $6 for regular wire...does the cost of gas comprable 2 the extra money spent on flux core? I dotn know since I have never used gas, but I'm thinking it might be cheaper....anyway, just my observations.


I dont believe a 110V machine will do 1/4" properly but its you rig:D...

the reason you paid $17 for a stinkin spool was cause you got it from wasatch...the lincoln stuff you can get from lowes or home depot is pretty good, its like $7 there...even if that was the case I dont think the cost f gas would offset the cost of wire...
 

James K

NO, I'm always like this
Location
Taylorsville, Ut
Originally posted by supergper


again I think less spatter would be given by the mix but I think to most people the difference wouldn;t be noticeable...a lot of the time spatter is a factor of other things (wire speed, brand of wire, etc)

Thanks
 

Milner

formerly "rckcrlr"
(Hi-jack)

Speaking of wire.....
I never thought wire made that big of difference, but I got a spool of cheap (nps no name) wire. It was marginal on flat surfaces, but was terrible upside down. I will buy good wire from now on. I still have to grind and reweld some of my brackets.
 

Caleb

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Location
Riverton
Originally posted by rckcrlr
(Hi-jack)

Speaking of wire.....
I never thought wire made that big of difference, but I got a spool of cheap (nps no name) wire. It was marginal on flat surfaces, but was terrible upside down. I will buy good wire from now on. I still have to grind and reweld some of my brackets.

me too until I used some el-cheapo stuff too...also if the wire sits too long(I have heard 6 months or more) it will oxidize and weld like crap...I know this is true with 4043 (aluminum wire) cause we had it happen to us at work...had a whole box (about 15 spools) go bad...I dont know if it is the same with steel wire but I am sure it will make a difference in the weld quality...
 

shmoesmith

Registered User
Sounds like the main issue with flux core is the quality of wire then....It may be that my 110 does 1/4" so easily with flux core because it burns hotter...however the 110 does need to pull off a 40amp circuit on max power or a 30amp and 2nd to max, which may also account for how it is going through the metal easier (i dont know since I dont know much about electronics)..the other thing I noticed is that most 110v dont go up as high as 130/140 amps of power without killing hte duty cycle to like 10%...this may also be a problem with most 110's...but it very well may be the problem with the person welding...I've been studying a text book on welding, and with a 110v mig, the speed of wire/type of wire and distance from the weld will change how many amps are actually being put into the weld, regardless of what the welder is supposed to put out on its power settings...anyway, no need for a 220 when the thickest part of my sammy is slightly over 1/8" thick :)...but if flux core will give me a hotter better weld, might as well go that route....so, who sells high quality cheap flux core? the stuff that daytona mig (which was awsome)is $18 for a 2lb, and i'm not looking to spend that much.
 

Caleb

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Location
Riverton
Originally posted by shmoesmith
Sounds like the main issue with flux core is the quality of wire then....It may be that my 110 does 1/4" so easily with flux core because it burns hotter...however the 110 does need to pull off a 40amp circuit on max power or a 30amp and 2nd to max, which may also account for how it is going through the metal easier (i dont know since I dont know much about electronics)..the other thing I noticed is that most 110v dont go up as high as 130/140 amps of power without killing hte duty cycle to like 10%...this may also be a problem with most 110's...but it very well may be the problem with the person welding...I've been studying a text book on welding, and with a 110v mig, the speed of wire/type of wire and distance from the weld will change how many amps are actually being put into the weld, regardless of what the welder is supposed to put out on its power settings...anyway, no need for a 220 when the thickest part of my sammy is slightly over 1/8" thick :)...but if flux core will give me a hotter better weld, might as well go that route....so, who sells high quality cheap flux core? the stuff that daytona mig (which was awsome)is $18 for a 2lb, and i'm not looking to spend that much.

yes your stick out makes a huge diference...anyways I would either try the licoln stuff (I have always had good luck with it) or go to a local welding shop and get what they sell...US Welding sells ESAB wire and it seems pretty good Praxair sells some stuff called western wire or great wire or great western (I am not positive on the name) but I never have very good luck with it in the smaller 1-2lb spools...a worth while investment would be to get the adapter (about $7) and then run the large spools if you machine can handle them...you will save quite a bit and you wont have to change spools very often...
 

James K

NO, I'm always like this
Location
Taylorsville, Ut
Bigger spool and adapter worth every dime. Nothen worse then being in the middle of a weld and have one of those little run out. Although I do keep a little spool for when the big one does run out:D
 

shmoesmith

Registered User
Yeah, my welder can take up to a 10lb spool...sounds like that is the way to go if I opt for flux core..the $56 for the gas.. was that on a leased cylinder or a cylinder exchange? or was that just for gas only?
 

Caleb

Well-Known Member
Location
Riverton
Originally posted by shmoesmith
Yeah, my welder can take up to a 10lb spool...sounds like that is the way to go if I opt for flux core..the $56 for the gas.. was that on a leased cylinder or a cylinder exchange? or was that just for gas only?

as he stated earlier he owns his cylinder so that is gas only...cylinder will run you another $120-$200 dpending on the size you get...
 

bobn

Registered User
Location
salt lake city
Good morning, I have been a voyeur on RME for some time but this thread has prompted me to sign on and ask a few questions. We purchased a 110 mig welder a couple of years ago purely for hobby use (two Samurai,s) and because I had always wanted one. We have used it occasionally and the biggest problem(other than the fact that I had never welded before) seemed to be splatter (my welds looked like little beads piled on more beads). I had thought I needed to get the gas to make things better, but the responses by Supergper, Jeremy, Shoesmith and others on flux core wire may be the answer(I believe my rig came with solid core wire). I also appreciate the insights on good and bad brands of wire. A mention was made that wire will oxidize and go bad. Is this noticable or do you not know until you are working with it?
Does the wire have a "born on" date? If we don't weld much, would it be safer to stay with the smaller rolls?
Supergper talked about the amp's going to the welder. My garage circuit is 20 amp (40 years old). Is it possible to slip in a 30 or 40 amp breaker in the box? Would this help? would this be a problem for anything else pluged into this circuit (lights, garage door opener, etc)? Also, Supergper touched on power settings in relation to the amps available, a little more info on this might be helpful.
Again, I think this thread has excellent info and appreciate those that have the knowlege sharing with those of us who are still learning.
 

Caleb

Well-Known Member
Location
Riverton
Originally posted by bobn
Good morning, I have been a voyeur on RME for some time but this thread has prompted me to sign on and ask a few questions. We purchased a 110 mig welder a couple of years ago purely for hobby use (two Samurai,s) and because I had always wanted one. We have used it occasionally and the biggest problem(other than the fact that I had never welded before) seemed to be splatter (my welds looked like little beads piled on more beads). I had thought I needed to get the gas to make things better, but the responses by Supergper, Jeremy, Shoesmith and others on flux core wire may be the answer(I believe my rig came with solid core wire). I also appreciate the insights on good and bad brands of wire. A mention was made that wire will oxidize and go bad. Is this noticable or do you not know until you are working with it?
Does the wire have a "born on" date? If we don't weld much, would it be safer to stay with the smaller rolls?
Supergper talked about the amp's going to the welder. My garage circuit is 20 amp (40 years old). Is it possible to slip in a 30 or 40 amp breaker in the box? Would this help? would this be a problem for anything else pluged into this circuit (lights, garage door opener, etc)? Also, Supergper touched on power settings in relation to the amps available, a little more info on this might be helpful.
Again, I think this thread has excellent info and appreciate those that have the knowlege sharing with those of us who are still learning.

I will reply in a little...gonna be long I think:eek::D
 

cruiseroutfit

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Sandy, Ut
Originally posted by bobn
... A mention was made that wire will oxidize and go bad. Is this noticable or do you not know until you are working with it?...

Another thing to mention about wire corrosion is that fact that it can fill your liner with ccrap and cause your line feed to stutter or eventually stop. My Millermatic instructions say to keep the wire in awarm dry place. I never do any havn't had any problems but it doens't take more than 5 mins to pull your spool and toss it on the house or in a warm spot.
 
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