Wolves in Utah

thefirstzukman

Finding Utah
Supporting Member
I want to share with you an important issue that is now hitting close to home. I'm sure most of you are familliar with the wolf problems in our neighboring states, but do you know the Wolves are in our state? I am 100% sure we have wolves in AF canyon in the Forest lake area, and my Dad ran into tracks up Spanish fork canyon and the fish and game acknowledges they know about 5 wolves up in sheep creek. The tracks my dad saw had pup tracks that show that we have a breeding pack, so more than likely more than 5 wolves. I ask that you please watch the video and follow the link I post and help to delist the wolves throughout the entire state of Utah.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxaYMrwG3FI&feature=share

http://biggameforever.org/


Thanks
Scott
 

rholbrook

Well-Known Member
Location
Kaysville, Ut
I have a pdf file I would like to share but its too big to attach but it has some pretty graphic pictures of what wolves can do.

Wolves hunt for sport, they don't always eat what they kill. I have a lot of clients in Montana and Idaho who are avid outdoorsmen and it is getting bad.

My BIL is a professional Hunting guide has seen them above Chalk Creek.

PM me your email addresses and I will forward you the pdf I have.
 

Robert T

Skull Designs Euros
Location
Salem, Ut
There all over this state, I heard some howling at strawberry over labor day, The state dosn't want to admit that they are here, they know they are here but if they admit it, it will cause big problems, like in wyoming, idaho and montana. They are just big coyotes if you see one, shoot it.
 

cruiseroutfit

Cruizah!
Moderator
Vendor
Location
Sandy, Ut
De-List and treat as other game. I like wolves in Utah. The were in AFC long before modern man, I'm ok with that and I won't sue if a family memberis drug out out of a tent either...
 

rdneckride

Active Member
Steve,

I am not 100% sure but people use .17hmr and .22 for coyotes quite often. The wolf is a larger dog and a well placed shot should do fine. Though I'd prefer something more like a 223 or 7.62 and even a 243 that would be good for more of the medium sized game. After having a run in this year with a bear I will not be out bow hunting next year without my .40.
 

Houndoc

Registered User
Location
Grantsville
It is worth noting that northern Utah is in the area delisted by congress earlier this year. Utah has also drawn up wolf management plans.

link to wolf management plan:

http://wildlife.utah.gov/wolf/wolf_management_plan.pdf

legislation passed into law in Utah in 2010

http://le.utah.gov/~2010/bills/sbillint/sb0036s01.htm

As far as the "shoot in sight" recommendation, keep in mind this is ILLEGAL.

Although geared to land-owners/livestock operations, good information in general:

http://wildlife.utah.gov/dwr/index....icts-what-a-utah-livestock-owner-should-know-

As a hunter I want wolves managed so as to protect other wildlife. As someone who enjoys nature and wilderness, I agree with Kurt that wolves belong in Utah (personally I won't mind the return of the grizzly as well.)

That aside, I can not agree with encouraging an illegal activity on a public forum.

It does no favor to the off-road or hunting communities.
 

thefirstzukman

Finding Utah
Supporting Member
This state is populated much more than anyone will ever admit, south eastern Utah is populated with wolf/coyote cross breeds also, and the first known wolf was captured in northern Utah in the now delisted area in 2002. I would never recommend shooting a wolf, I just want them delisted so they get proper management.

Adding a new predator will likely cause and increase to current predator tags to even out the ballance. So basically more lion tags would be issued.
 

jeep-N-montero

Formerly black_ZJ
Location
Bountiful
I wondered about this on one of our camping trips up there in August and heard howling. Most animals will scatter with a warning shot unless there is a serious food shortage, but I will definitely start keeping my eyes open up there a bit more. I only kill if there is an immediate danger, so I hope they stay out of our camping adventures.
 

DAA

Well-Known Member
Supporting Member
As a hunter I want wolves managed so as to protect other wildlife. As someone who enjoys nature and wilderness, I agree with Kurt that wolves belong in Utah (personally I won't mind the return of the grizzly as well.)

I disagree with you guys. I don't think that under the current or forseeable political, economic climate, that effective, reasoned, positive management of wolves is possible. Either we have them or we don't and if we do, you may as well get used to the idea that they are NOT going be be managed effectively. You need only to look at the current state of affairs in Wyoming, Idaho and Montana for examples. The ONLY stated management objective that has EVER been accomplished is the establishment of a given number of permanent resident packs. But that can only be counted a success if you consider over shooting your goal by approximately 400% a success. Oooops...

If a resident pack or two, or three or four or ten, set up full time shop here in Utah, they are going to do pretty much as they please and "management plans" won't have anything to say about it. And hunters and most other current users of the wildlife here in Utah are not going to be happy about it, either. But, what will be, will be. There isn't the money or political will to do anything about it. The wolves are going to decide for themselves.

Frankly, there isn't much in the way of habitat or elk populations to sustain much of a long term wolf presence here in Utah. The Manti, the Abajo/La Sals area, could support them, but I'm not sure if they could remain viable for the truly long term. It has taken decades upon decades and millions upon millions of dollars to rebuild the elk herds in those areas to their current levels. Wolves will reduce those elk herds drastically in just 20 years, once they get a good start. Again, see Wyoming and Idaho for current examples - the Yellowstone herd is currently what, at 30 of what it was before the gov't brought the woofs back? An aging 30%, at that, the biologists up there are predicting a further crash soon.

My solution would be to simply kill them all. I can drive a few hours to somewhere else better suited for them if I'm that horny to see or hear some wolves. That's not reality though.

...south eastern Utah is populated with wolf/coyote cross breeds also...

That is news to me. I've personally killed/inspected hundreds of coyotes in SE Utah and never seen the slightest trace of anything remotely resembling wolf.

- DAA
 

thefirstzukman

Finding Utah
Supporting Member
I haven't seen anything either on crossbreeding but I do have a trust worthy individual that they are in the four corners area. It's not at all un common for wolves to breed with coyotes.
 

Cruiser

look what i can do!!
I vote eliminate them all. There are many documented cases in Alaska of wolves killing entire bands (20+) of sheep, ripping out their throat, eating their nose, anus and leaving them… I have personally been in the fish and game and seen the images and it is grotesque. What happen is that it will snow, then freeze allowing the wolves to run along the top of the snow when the small hoofed animals will break through making them an Easy catch for wolves. If you like the wildlife in UT you will see that the population of wolves stays to a very minimal number!!!! Many Alaskans will just shoot them on site and keep walking because of their major part in the decline of wildlife. I am certain that once you have seen this for yourself you will follow in their footsteps.
I will try to dig up some info on these cases for you.. ITS SHOCKING! They are nothing but cold blooded killers and very wasteful..

ALASKA QUOTE: Shoot, Shovel, Silence!
 
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