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If you're looking for answers or even reasonable conversation, the SL Trib comments forum is not the place. The anti-access forces there aren't interested in discussion, only rhetoric. The ADA avenue has been investigated and deemed unusable. I don't recall the exact legal reasoning...

I don't have to "think" anything. Your statements and actions make it pretty clear. All talk, no action. Call it apathy, laziness, or whatever. I call it the primary cause for the death of motorized recreation on public land.

Right, you're not going to join regardless. I guess as long as U4WDA fights for your rights, you're fine with that. Thanks for all the support.

Yes, I'm a big asshole. It's very true. I'll call out SRN also. Total bullshit. Great guy, knowledgeable guy, but complete lack of follow through. SRN, more than almost anyone, knows the goals and message of U4WDA. To say that you couldn't be an effective PR guy because someone didn't...

What clean-up? Del Albright is one of the sweet, big-grin "leaders" of the 4x4 community, and he advocates a very good rule to wheel by. For every hour you spend enjoying recreation on public land, you should spend an hour providing service for that land. It's the 1 to 1 rule. My own...

Good point, I have some new Eric Russel-isms. I doubt that you can. You have to do something to get burned out on it. Yep.

I was pointing out the propensity for do-nothing "clean-ups" from "concerned" 4x4 users. "We're doing a clean-up at Rattlesnake and Constrictor Saturday!" I still maintain that running a trail and picking up trash along the way isn't a clean-up, it's a run. Kudos to this kid for hitting the...

Going wheeling and calling it a clean-up is not planning a clean-up. Get 10+ people (or better yet, 100+) out for the exclusive purpose of picking up trash, and then you can say you've planned a clean-up. My "favorite" types of "clean-ups" are where someone hits a trail and says they'll pick...

Where are my framed copies?

Very cool, thanks for sharing the tr and the pics.

I'm not mocking you. I'm serious. If you can't tell the difference between being on the trail and being off the trail, get a map and research your wheeling destinations before your actions get them closed (regardless of how inadvertent your destruction is). You don't know me, don't pretend...

Since you're going on Friday afternoon, your effort would be better spent hitting dispersed sites along the main road since many will still be empty before the weekend rush. Forest Lake is adopted by U4WDA and Utah4x4Club.com, so monthly clean-ups are already happening there and it is fairly...

Geez Lostboyz, ever heard of a map?? If you are so unable to differentiate between the legal and illegal routes, you need to be more diligent about getting a travel map to any area you plan to visit. Ignorance is no excuse, and ignorance is not excused when your actions are used to justify...

?? Grab two dozen trash bags and hit dispersed camping sites until they are full. You'll be full half way up the canyon.

So it was you driving off-trail and causing resource damage? That makes it easy for the law enforcement officer on the district, thanks for helping. Anyone who drives off-trail and causes damage gets **** for it here and any other respectable 4x4 forum. You're causing closure. Turn in your keys.

What kind of "clean up" are you planning? Did you

That's no excuse at all. Why didn't you and your group say something to this irresponsible user? I keep hearing bad stuff about the Lostboyz, hope you guys are serious about rooting out the trouble makers in your group.

Next time say "U4WDA". Sometimes you read about the recoveries here, but that doesn't mean it's an "RME" recovery although many "members" of RME are often involved. Of course it's not always a "U4WDA" recovery either, but it's a name they'll recognize. That ranger looks almost as bad as Meat's...

Awesome!

Sorry, I had to laugh at that too. He's saying it wouldn't be smart for the EMT. Way too much liability. We tried to get some EMT's and RN's to help out on an organized run for U4WDA (a non-profit), and everyone I talked to turned us down on the basis of liability. We even get liability...