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Hey, whats a little stink between friends?

I noticed in my shopping that the tow ratings for a Chevy Suburban is 400 pounds higher than a GMC Yukon XL. Holds true over most engines and both 1500 and 2500 models. I assume it must be due to a softer suspension on the GMC. True? If so, I can still go with which ever I find the best...

Is it the mid week or should I take it personally?:ugh: Hoping to get out and try the newly improved Monty....will drive down to Monticello Monday, head into Canyonlands Tuesday (need to find out if my uncle in Monticello still owns anything that can do Elephant Hill), then head to Moab Wed...

I will be in Monticello and Moab the week of June 5-10. Unfortunately most of the time will be spent in a conference I am in charge of. Hope to get out on Wed the 7th. Since I am still on the learning curve on the rocks, would love to join up with someone or two. Thinking Fins and Things...

Holy cow! Someone suggesting be polite, non-confrontational and listening (even learning to see the others point). Not something that comes up on most boards often enough.:greg:

Nope. One the UOOC has tossed around for a summer trip this year, but unfortunately I have not been able to spend much time up that way, except right out on the lake (not that that is a bad thing)

Give this a try. http://www.utahoffroad.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1131&KW=bear+lake

Wheel base on my Montero Sport is, I think, about 107, but a similar overall length to the 4-door Wrangler. I agree 116 seems awfully long.

very cool

I bet the new standards are met pretty easily. In recent years auto makers have talked about having the technology but not using it in the large SUVs (burbs etc) since it would ad something like $300-500 to the cost of the vehicle (who really cares on a $45,000 vehicle anyway??) When push...

The use will happen, that is true. The hard part is teaching people to avoid the abuse.

Same guy?

Surprising that he would even respond, but at least the true colors of his being a "wheeler" is out in the open. They need to change the mane from "four wheelers for wilderness" to "for wilderness".

When you look at the damage caused by people straying from the trail, I don't see how clearly marking the correct route is a bad thing at all. Not all change is bad.

Don't see any point in trying to shut them down. Opinions are opinions, and the section on ethics should be linked into all the R.S/Con threads. As for the idea, must admit that their opening statement is pretty good. But obviously I disagree with 9million wilderness acres. As for...

Great article. Thanks for the link. I think it does really show the issues very well (although his MAHBU is pointless and stupid- has nothing to do with his article.) The reality is the issue is primarily cultural. New West (which includes many Easteners) vs Old West. And there is...

Like the attitude:)

With that paint job, do you dare wheel it?

Stikes me as odd that people film the "locals" building the traps....then the drives say they have no way of knowing they are there. I also had a hard time figuring out from the cameral angle how the first one (truck that took a turn to tights and went of an embankment) had anything to do with...

DrMoab, now we are getting into shots I would consider "way back". Very Cool.