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A simple answer. Thanks! My point was really simple as well. You (a general "you", not meaning a specific individual) show photos and talk about "creating" the trail, as it is/was and at the same time correctly condemn people going off existing trails. Potentially confusing message...

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That logic is sickening...close a trail because it is close to WSA? Not even in a WSA or designated wilderness. Lets hope that doesn't fly with the courts.

How come this has not been answered in either thread? (at least that can now be read) If it was an official trail appor ved and sanctioned by BLM, then just say so. That would end the debate on its origins completely.

I look back on the other thread and look at the photo Eagle Nest early on (I think it is post 54 on the other thread) and have to ask how is the first rig to try that really much different than anyone else that goes off trail? Doesn't exactly look like an existing road to me. That said...

I am going to toss out a thought that is likely to rain lots of anger down. Please don't direct it at me. I am in no way defending the creating of bypasses or damaging an area. I agree with all that has been said about people needing to be prepared for the level of trail they are driving and...

Well said. And now a coment from the 'newbie' point of view...make the correct trail and other protective work as clear as possible. Remember everyone drives it for the "first time" at some point (although ideally with someone who knows the trail). The fence is a great idea and along...

I would define "custom" as made for a specific use or application. Does that always mean expensive? I don't see why that has to be the case. And always remember that "cheap" or "in my budget" means very different things ot different people. So people come in wanting something for less...

Got to work (1200 E 3300 S) Saturday morning to about 4" snow on the ground. Cleared up and melted quickly, however.

I turned away from the idea of a Scout when most the Scout owners agreed they take a lot of tinkering to keep them running. Not the choice for us non-mechanical types, as cool as they may be. So either sell it and get a combined wheeler/DD or buy a front wheel drive DD and use the Scout to...

Interesting. BTW, were do you find only 80* summers? I hit 107 at my house last July.

So are you wanting to have your baby ride in the back of the truck? Don't tell child protective services of that plan. Sounds like you have grown into the CJ- congrats! :)

I agree whole heartedly.

I had heard here and on TrailerBoats about towing/vehicle control problems with the Excursion. Haven't (yet) towed with either, but will personally be looking at 'burbs and Nissan Armada later this spring. here is the link for previous...

You got to remember that to the environmentalist crowd even living is almost too much strain on the environment. They want to drain Lake Powell, a zero pollution energey source and just say 'concerve' and at the same time push for electric cars that you plug into to recharge, thus using...

So many places, so little time.

Moose did indeed come on there own into Utah, then had help spreading into more areas. A reality is that with "Globalization", as it gets called, alot of species are showing up in places the really don't (or didn't) belong. One of the reasons the invasive species can cause so much problem is...

I would haver to agree that the big question is are the potential legal hassles worth the parts you want. When I was toying with the idea of a FSJ there were plenty of parts vehicles around that would come with far less head aches.

that gives me another thought (sorry I think too much)...how many of the older rigs being used where purchased and started being wheeled new or fairly new and then just kept (as appoesed to buying it older).....more useless food for thought.

Splating bugs is one sure sign of spring..... As for the overall wisdom of the bug release, I think it should probably work fine. Alot has been learned over the last number of years in regards to invasive species and more care taken. Unexpected problems might arise, but can they be worse...