Complaints Department

cruiseroutfit · Mar 9, 2005

RKCRWLR said:
Being the "leader" of any organization is a PIA. I have lurked for a long while and observed a lot of your exchanges where opinions were involved. The ONLY one I have questioned was the one with the "anti-club club" where at one point the impression that was given was if you were not a lawyer or specialist for the court room then all UFWDA needed was the guys money. I know from experience that volunteerism plays a large role as well in the minds of the public. Get 'em involved, educate them, then get thier money (haha), as more lawyers are, unfortunately, needed, as well as good comments with scientific backing for the RMP process. There is a legal and a psychological battle to win when it comes to public access. We, as a mechnaized use community, are doing a better job of the legal battle, but the psychological one with the general public remains even at best. One guy doing donuts or a discarded Mickey D's bag on the trail wipes out a full days trail clean up in the minds of the non-mechanized public land user. However, I shared your frustration with the "club" and threw in my dues to U4WDA in protest... (where are my decals!) Besides, if the individual sending the email did not have the guts to sign it and give a phone number, it doesn't count in my book. If he/she has an issue, they can always join up and vote. You'll get mine (even if your not "old")... keep up the good work! Look forward to wheeling with you someday. See ya on the trail....

Thanks for the insightful input... your comments are truly appreciated!

81Ramchargerman · Mar 9, 2005

Cruizer, if I were you I wouldn't take it to the heart, now if he were willing to communicate it to you as a problem, then yes, but where he gave you a phoney e-mail addy, and has not responded back, just brush it off. I think it was just some bs to try and get you concerned about how you are doing your job as pres. If it were truly valid, wich me thinks...NO, he would have expressed it with more detail or gotten back to you. Like I said, based on what I have seen, you try and see it from both pov's, and your not all vulgar, or trying to say screw the other groups, this means war! So just act like a duck, and let it all just roll off!

Keep up the good work.

dunatic67 · Mar 9, 2005

81Ramchargerman said:
Cruizer, if I were you I wouldn't take it to the heart, now if he were willing to communicate it to you as a problem, then yes, but where he gave you a phoney e-mail addy, and has not responded back, just brush it off. I think it was just some bs to try and get you concerned about how you are doing your job as pres. If it were truly valid, wich me thinks...NO, he would have expressed it with more detail or gotten back to you. Like I said, based on what I have seen, you try and see it from both pov's, and your not all vulgar, or trying to say screw the other groups, this means war! So just act like a duck, and let it all just roll off! Keep up the good work.

Kurt I agree with ramcharger, whenever serving the public you are opening yourself to criticism. My Dad was in the state legislature for a while and whenever there was a 'hot' issue he would receive even comments on both sides of the issue. Some were stated nicely, some not so nicely.
The farther your butt is up the pole, the more exposed it is. At least you are on the pole- most of us are still on the ground.

RockMonkey · Mar 9, 2005

cruiseroutfit said:
I was hoping you noticed me , I was just in Verizon making sure my monthly plans were all kosher... as I hoped, all bueno!

See you, how could I miss you? Yeah, I knew it was you, and thought it was funny.

Cody · Mar 9, 2005

Dude, don't worry about what spineless people have to say. If they were half the leader you are they wouldn't be writing nameless/faceless notes to you.

I think thats pretty weak and if someone is that spineless, then I can't say they would offer a positive contribution to the organization. They are probably the same kind of people that see someone toss a beer can (or toss it themselves) but aren't man enough to say something about it.

All that being said, there have been a couple times when I think you've jumped the gun on a thread and said stuff that seemed like a quasi-personal attack when it wasn't needed. Other than that, I think you conduct yourself very well and are easily approachable and extremely knowledgable about land use issues (which is especially remarkable considering your age).

Unfortuately, the only way you can make people like that happy is by pulling the stick out of their ass---but without that stick their spineless body would crumple over to the ground.

It's so cowardly that it makes me laugh.

Cody

mbryson · Mar 9, 2005

Cody said:
...........Unfortuately, the only way you can make people like that happy is by pulling the stick out of their ass---but without that stick their spineless body would crumple over to the ground.

It's so cowardly that it makes me laugh.

Cody

EWWWWWWWwwwwwwwwww.......YICK.........

Badcop · Mar 11, 2005

My opinion may or may not matter, but, I think Kurt is a very informative and involved person within the community. He was one of the few (not only, but few) that was willing to give information to me when I was new on the board. He was also very honest when I was asking about the survivalness of a new 4x4 shop if I were to open one.

Whoever "Bob" is, a spineless chicken feces. He has obviously never been helped by a stranger he has never met. Its his kind of personality thats not needed within an organization.

Caleb · Mar 11, 2005

Maybe I'm wrong but I seriously doubt there is anyone in U4WDA that understands what U4 is all about that doesn't support ya Kurt

The amount of time and energy you put into the Organization and the effort of Land Use is amazing. If everyone else in the Organization (myself included) could put in only half as much effort and time as you do we would be a serious force of "rednecks"

BTW, where's my stinkin' stickers

TheBigSgt · Mar 12, 2005

neagtea said:
I have been around the assn. for over twenty yrs. I remember when it was the assn. of 4wd clubs. I don't have a lot of time to attend the functions any more but I did go to price and it was a well organized event. From what I see now the assn. is way more involved and organized than in the past. The news letter that just came was the best ever. I want to thank the board members for the job they do (as a former board member I know what kind of effort it takes to do the job) THANKS!!!
Jeff Neagle
Desert Trackers 4x4 (yes there are a few of us still around)

MY GOD, I THOUGHT YOU WHERE DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey Jeff, how you doing?

TheBigSgt · Mar 12, 2005

cruiseroutfit said:
No, the picture is Rufus the stuntbum...

You had me take the Pic for you!

great scott · Mar 13, 2005

Just incase you need one more pat on the back,

good job.

ewander · Mar 13, 2005

Yeah man, I think you are very informative and awesome when it comes to land use issues. My decision to not re-join U4WDA has absolutely nothing to do with you..........and everything to do with my anti-social behavior and getting in touch with my inner self. I still contribute to the blue ribbon coalition and NAXJA, but am more of a silent member.

cruiseroutfit · Mar 16, 2005

I appreciate all the kind words and input! We are trying our best to improve the U4WDA and any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks again!

bobdog · Mar 16, 2005

I just want to make very clear that I am not that Bob.

cruiseroutfit · Mar 16, 2005

bobdog said:
I just want to make very clear that I am not that Bob.

I knew that from the get go, because you are always more than happy to put your name next to a statement...

And you (like me) don't quit arguing for a while

TheBigSgt · Mar 17, 2005

Well, What can I say but BOB is a BUT. BOB, you don't like the whole group because of one person that your to chicken to talk about under your own your own name? Come on! What kind of chicken $hit little puck are you?

OK let talk about Kurt. I agree with the Kurt, your doing a great job and don't let BUTT, I mean BOB, bug ya! Your gettin it down and thats what is important. Keep up the good work!

cruiseroutfit · Mar 17, 2005

TheBigSgt said:
..Your gettin it down and thats what is important. Keep up the good work!

Thanks Sarge!

RockMonkey · Mar 17, 2005

Has it been long enough that I can start complaining about not getting my stickers yet?

cruiseroutfit · Mar 18, 2005

RockMonkey said:
Has it been long enough that I can start complaining about not getting my stickers yet?

I can promise you'll be getting them soon. EZ just got the run of stickers back from the printer yesterday, and they left in the mail....

If not, I have a couple here with your name on them

Caleb · Mar 18, 2005

cruiseroutfit said:
I can promise you'll be getting them soon. EZ just got the run of stickers back from the printer yesterday, and they left in the mail....

If not, I have a couple here with your name on them

OK, U4WDA is now perfect...I have received my stickers

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