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Caleb

Caleb

Well-Known Member
Location
Riverton
RockMonkey said:
Are you serious, Caleb? Why should people on the East side pay for a road on the West side they'll never use? Why the hell should I pay for any roads on the East side that I never use then? Why aren't those toll roads? That line of thinking makes no sense. I've never used probably 90% of the roads in Utah, so I want 90% of the money that I paid to UDOT back. Seriously, that's some retarded logic there. By your logic every single road in the state should be a toll road, then everyone is only paying for the roads they use. Also, Mountain View Corridor will ease congestion on I-15, I-215, Redwood, Bangerter, State, you name it. People driving on any of those roads are "using" Mountain View Corridor by avoiding traffic on the roads they're on.

The (retarded) people of Utah voted themselves a sales tax increase last election on promises that the Mountain View Corridor will be built sooner as a toll-free road. I damn well better get done, cuz I'm a little pissed off that I'm still paying increased sales tax that we voted ourselves to build Trax. It's built, it's profitable, why are we still paying the sales tax for it?
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:rofl: I knew someone would say that :rofl:

I don't really care how they do it, I have absolutely no problem with it being a toll road, it'll keep it less congested if it is, I also could care less if my taxes go up because of it, either way I'll pay for it. It's something that is desperately needed, they jsut need to get the damn thing built :)
 
Spork

Spork

Tin Foil Hat Equipped
Location
Saratoga Springs, UT
Supergper said:
If I don't get in to work early then I go around, same thing if I get out later than 4:00, I go around :D



Explain your line of thinking. How is it giving them a pass for all incompetence? Why would you want a refund for gas tax? There are still roads that need to be built and maintained so the gas tax point, well, makes no sense. This would be a toll road that funds itself. Very common in major cities around the country, the users of the road pay to use it. Why would someone that lives on the east side pay for a road they will likely never use? I don't understand the incompetence part either. So you would rather pay for the road through your taxes causing an increase in taxes? The money is not there as it is to build the road so either the whole county (state?) pays for it or just the users pay for it? I like the idea of a toll road. Paying an extra $30-$50 a month for a road that would be way less congested and be an actual freeway sounds quite appealing to me. Those that don't want to pay can go sit in traffic on Bangerter ;)
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Maybe it's me but $360-$600 a year isn't exactly cheap. You can buy a express lane pass on I-15 for that. I wouldn't do it.

The incompetence part is my daily commute down Redwood. (state road 68) Utah county side is crumbling. The spring warmth has trashed the road (happens every year) and the only thing I've seen to fix it is some loose asphalt/gravel tossed in the holes every couple weeks. I don't think they don't even bother to run it over with the truck to pack it down. Around July they will dig up the big parts that are bad and fix it better. It's not much better going out toward Lehi. Everything I've heard about a plan for the road says "it's not due for a change until 2030 but we are evaluating the situation."

I won't even go into the various roads in the county that still have telephone poles paved around them.
 
BioNuke1

BioNuke1

Jeepsus Chrystler
Location
0rem
I really like the CFI idea just because everyone here is bitching about it, and i'll probably rarely if ever drive through it :D
 
I Lean

I Lean

Mbryson's hairdresser
Vendor
Location
Utah
RockMonkey said:
It's built, it's profitable, why are we still paying the sales tax for it?
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The same reason we were paying that Federal tax on phone service up until a few years ago. (the one we got to claim on our taxes this year....) That tax was enacted to help pay for the Spanish-American war, which was in 189X. That tax lasted over 100 years, so I don't expect the sales tax increase to go away just because Trax isn't getting the money anymore.
 
spencurai

spencurai

Purple Burglar Alarm
Location
WVC,UT
BioNuke1 said:
I really like the CFI idea just because everyone here is bitching about it, and i'll probably rarely if ever drive through it :D
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The problem is this...If UDOT believes it to be a good idea...then they will put it elsewhere and we will all be stuck with it.
 
RockMonkey

RockMonkey

Suddenly Enthusiastic
I Lean said:
The same reason we were paying that Federal tax on phone service up until a few years ago. (the one we got to claim on our taxes this year....) That tax was enacted to help pay for the Spanish-American war, which was in 189X. That tax lasted over 100 years, so I don't expect the sales tax increase to go away just because Trax isn't getting the money anymore.
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And the genius citizens of Utah voted ourselves another sales tax increase last year with no sunset date... :mad:
 
Cherokeester

Cherokeester

Registered User
Location
Wellsville Utah
After studying this concept closer, cars will be turning left even when oncoming traffic is going straight. Hence the term "continous flow". Those cars are basically "captured cars" waiting to turn on the second light. I bet after some learning curve the intersection will work just fine. Oh, and heaven forbid drivers have to actually think when they drive. Time to put down the cell phones people.
 
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spencurai

spencurai

Purple Burglar Alarm
Location
WVC,UT
Cherokeester said:
That's what everyone said about seatbelt laws, nobody's going to wear them they said. Well, after 20 years of law and you are going to die verbatim the vast majority of the public (almost 90%) wears belts.

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd-30/NCSA/RNotes/2006/810677.pdf
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Asking some people to not talk on their phone while driving is like asking them not to breathe...Seatbelt studies are hard to dispute but cell phone studies...

I would venture to guess that the percentage of cell phone users that operate a motor vehicle while talking on the phone at one time or another is in the 99.99999 percentile.
 
I Lean

I Lean

Mbryson's hairdresser
Vendor
Location
Utah
Supergper said:
yes, it did open and it took me as long to get through it this morning as it did when there was construction going on. So far I'm not too impressed.
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Same here. I've been through there once so far, and almost got T-boned by someone coming through. I was turning right, from Bangerter Southbound onto 3500 S Westbound (on a green light), he was coming through the northbound left-turn lane going straight through into La Frontera's parking lot. He also had a green turn light, as I understand how it works.

They said on the news there were lots of confused drivers. As they were talking, there was a car going the wrong way, against traffic behind them.

It's gonna take some getting used to. I guess that's the way it goes when this is only the third intersection of this type in existence.

Now that it's done, I still maintain that should have been a proper freeway all along, with overpasses and everystuff.
 
waynehartwig

waynehartwig

www.jeeperman.com
Location
Mead, WA
I Lean said:
with overpasses and everystuff.
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Is that a real word? :rofl: You know that is not how Utah does things... They always spend millions appying a bandaid only to come back in a few years to do it right, and spend the same millions again. :rolleyes: So if I'm right, in the next two years they will be changing it again or at least talking about it...

Isn't Bangerter also on the list of possible cross valley freeways they are trying to get through? So if so, in a few years it might be an actual freeway anyway.
 
Stephen

Stephen

Who Dares Wins
Moderator
Location
Never Far From Nowhere
I'm just waiting for better mass transit all around the valley. I drive about, oh, two miles to work on residential streets and I have worse more stupid drivers than I ever did when I had to drive 15 miles on the freeway. When I've been back east or in Portland, just getting on a train and going is so much easier than dealing with idiots.
That being said I love driving, just not commuting via car. I think that this intersection will be an interesting experiment to watch. I never drive down in that part of the valley, but I'm interested to see how it goes.
 
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