Cops taser a student at UCLA

[SAMI]

It's a lot of volts and it can stop your heart. Thus making it a lethal form.

it's the number of amps that'd be the killer... not the volts... amps are low with the tazers..

-Jason

 

[Tacoma]

Think about it... there are over 1700 police agencies using these... and only 167 RELATED deaths (btw the ACLU has the number of related deaths at 148). Hopped up meth heads die in police custody all the time... so there is a good chance some of those 167 arn't even related!

It's not even a good chance, it's a fact. Some of those reported deaths were cleared in that report as NOT caused by the Taser.

Wayne, seriously. The evidence isn't there to support the Killer Taser claim. It is regarded, sold, used, and considered NON-Lethal.

U.S. Department of Defense policy defines non-lethal weapons as "weapon systems that are explicitly designed and primarily employed so as to incapacitate personnel or material, while minimizing fatalities, permanent injury to personnel, and undesired damage to property and the environment..."

It is important to note that Department of Defense policy does not require or expect non-lethal weapons "to have a zero probability of producing fatalities or permanent injuries." Rather, non-lethal weapons are intended to significantly reduce the probability of such fatalities or injuries as compared with traditional military weapons which achieve their effects through the physical destruction of targets.

- Joint Concept for Non-lethal Weapons
United States Marine Corps

 

[SAMI]

read this article.... LINK

..Excerpt

If we assume that 20% of the people who overdose on drugs will exhibit excited delirium as one of the early symptoms, and that 20% of the time the police will use TASER energy weapons to subdue these people prior to the final stages of the toxic overdose, we can anticipate that approximately 470 people each year who have overdosed on toxic levels of drugs will be incapacitated with the TASER devices prior to their eventual death. Since only 6% of the individual police officers in the U.S. are using TASER devices as of today, we would expect to see 6% of 470, or 28 people each year would die of drug overdoses and be independently subjected to the TASER. Accordingly, the statistic that there have been forty in-custody deaths of individuals who were also hit with the TASER over the past four years is not unexpected nor indicative of a causal relationship. In fact, it’s well below the statistically expected number of 28*4 = 112 expected cases.

Therefore, it is simply not reasonable to draw a causal relationship between the use of TASER energy weapons and a drug overdose fatality. Using the simple mathematics above, the two will coincide for easily understood reasons that do not imply any causal impact of the TASER weapon in the death.

 

[SAMI]

50,000 volts sounds like alot.....

But, the coeficient for heat...the real danger, is in the amps.
Wattage is the biggie... how many watts can you body take before
injury?

From a taser info website Q&A:
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ISN'T HIGH VOLTAGE LETHAL?
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High voltage, in itself, is not dangerous. One can receive a
25,000-volt shock of static electricity from a doorknob on a dry day
without harm. The physiological effect of electrical shock is
determined by: the current, its duration, and the power source that
produces the shock. The typical household current of 110 volts is
dangerous because it can pump many amperes of current throughout the
body indefinitely. By contrast, the ADVANCED TASER power supply
consists of 8 AA alkaline 1.5-Volt batteries capable of supplying 26
Watts of electrical power for a few seconds.

 

[teknodestrukto]

The ampherage from an X-26 Tazer is less than .05 joules. It has been tested extensively and is incapable of killing a pig with a pacemaker. The purpose of it is not even pain compliance, as it is with OC spray or other less-lethal devices. The electical pattern from the Tazer is designed to closely match the human brain wave pattern and interrupt that connection temporarily. A five second "ride" will make you feel like a five-year-old little girl who just got spanked by Daddy, but it won't kill you and the recoverey is almost instantaneous. Again, there are no cases where a compitent Medical Examiner or Coroner has stated that exposure to the Tazer was the direct cause of death.

 

[timpanogos]

With my back ... I would not want to lift the kicking brat. Back injuries would be a real potential for the officers. Wayne’s 60’s type of reference to having to carry them away may simply be outdated. The kid was hysterical and hence unpredictable. Wayne, would you have preferred your wife to taz him, or carry him? Seems like it finally worked and he walked out.

 

[waynehartwig]

The kid was being a dick and by simply complying would have stopped the entire thing - I'm not saying he was in the right.

I'm just saying the LEO's had other means at their disposal to get him out of the building. As it was, they were on the verge of starting a riot with all of the 'innocent' bystanders. All the LEO's were doing was making the situation worse and escalating the chances of more serious problems. The tazer was obviously not working, time for plan B. They could have cuffed him and drag him out. Once cuffed behind hte back, the arms make a really nice carrying handle.

In that position my wife would have used brute force and put his face in the ground and cuffed him. If she was alone, she would have kept him on the ground until back up arrived and then dragged him out, if needed. There is no reason it should have taken them 20 minutes, practically starting a riot, to get some little $hit out of the building.