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redbulltj

I'm a cutter
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GOAT said:
I will probably offend a few and apologize now for doing so.

As an outsider, I agree quite a bit with Cody, even if he still has a few years to go:D. Particulalry, the comment about some of the damaged goods running around. I attribute this to the pressure by Utah society to marry young and immediately start producing offspring. I know a quite a few girls that are fairly attractive, yet feel like failures because they haven't married, become a housewife and produced children at 21. They feel this way even though they have solid careers and a decent income in place at 21.

When I was dating, it is was very difficult to find someone in my age group or at least close, that I didn't run like hell from after the first five minutes.

The one thing that has always baffled me was all the emphasis on young people to hold out on losing their virginity for marriage. Yes, I understand the whole faith/convicition deal, but facts are facts. They then marry another virgin as soon as they get home and lock themselves into relationship with children (most likely concieved on honeymoon) never knowing anything else. I see it when I am forced to leave the shelter of my home and venture out for shopping. The wife has a multitude of children in tote, the father has one strapped to his chest and you can see the hopelessness on the husband's face as they dig through the clearance rack at Ikea.

I tell my friends from out of state to think back to some of the less_than _steller sexual experiences they've had. I then say okay, now your married with children to that person spending not only the rest of your life, but also all of eternity never knowing anything else:eek:

Hmm, I wonder why Utah leads the country in bankruptcy, prescription drug abuse and use of anti-depressants.

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Sing it brotha, sing it!!
 
Cody

Cody

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Spork said:
Thanks for the rant Cody, My mom hasn't said anything bad to me for years so I was getting concerned I was actually a functioning member of society. :rofl::rofl::rofl:
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Don't take me too personally. I'm not saying it's not possible to get married young and have a long and successful relationship--it's just more difficult. I know lots of people that were married young (many of them on this board) and I don't think any less of them or think they are stupid. I've talked with many of them and I have lots of respect for their opinions and the majority of people that I have talked to that have personal experience (which I don't) think that they should have waited a little longer. The proof is in the numbers--for every 100 marriages under that age of 25, 40 fail. Over 25, only 24 fail (which is still too high IMO). Thats what, a 40% increase in success rate?


newtoy said:
When you find some one that you can love more then you love your self (am not sure how that is going to work out for you) then you don't care how old you are.
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I know. But I'm not worried. Worst case scenario I have to put up with myself for the rest of my life--Sweet! ;)

GOAT said:
The one thing that has always baffled me was all the emphasis on young people to hold out on losing their virginity for marriage. Yes, I understand the whole faith/convicition deal, but facts are facts. They then marry another virgin as soon as they get home and lock themselves into relationship with children (most likely concieved on honeymoon) never knowing anything else.
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I didn't want to be the one to bring it up cause, like you, know people think it's a taboo subject around here and few want to admit the truth.

I've been in many debates with people and I've come to realize that I will never see eye to eye with most devoutly religious (and not just LDS) people. I respect 100% someone's decision to wait until they are married, but I see too many people rush into marriage because they want to have sex. I think it's far worse to get married before you are emotionally (and to a lesser degree financially) ready than it is to have sex premaritally. I think if many of those couples would have either calmed their hormones or made an educated decision about safe and responsible 'relations' then maybe their relationship could have gotten off on a better foot.

I guess for me it stacks up like this. Just the possibility that you would find out after marriage that you are not sexually compatible (which, I would guess is a huge factor in successful relationship--am I right?) would be worth not going down that road. Now if you factor in the fact that many of these couples are brought up to believe that sex is only an act reserved for creating children and has no bearing on a healthy relationship causing them to ignore the fact that they are miserable until 5 years down the road when they already have 3 kids and a minivan in the equation at which point a divorce has potentially major consequences to more than the 2 lives that made the decision in the first place. Does that make sense?


I really hope I'm not offending anyone. This is a good debate and I hope we can keep it from getting personal.
 
mbryson

mbryson

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Cody said:
....... Now if you factor in the fact that many of these couples are brought up to believe that sex is only an act reserved for creating children and has no bearing on a healthy relationship.................
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I guess I respect peoples right to choose that (doesn't hurt me, so I don't really care), but I don't know of anyone that feels that way. What a boring relationship, IMHO.
 
GOAT

GOAT

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Roanoke, VA
This is Goat's cruel science experiment hijacking his post to say that you can all go get BENT!!! This whole discussion is retarded. It's about as meaningful as arguing over your favorite color.

What we do in our lives should never be seen as anything other than our own decisions. Not statistics, or trends, or affiliations. People are too obsessed with what everyone else is doing, and they are wasting time that could be spent doing something good for themselves.

The decisions I have made in my life are MY OWN. I blame no one. I give credit to no one. You want to wait until you're 30 to get married? FINE! Marry at 16 to your 2nd cousin? FINE! Wanna be gay forever? FINE!

It's YOUR life. It's shorter than you think. Stop bitching about what everyone else is doing and start focusing on what really matters...

This is why I hate people....:mad:
 
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Meat_

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Lehi
GOAT said:
This is Goat's cruel science experiment hijacking his post to say that you can all go get BENT!!! This whole discussion is retarded. It's about as meaningful as arguing over your favorite color.

What we do in our lives should never be seen as anything other than our own decisions. Not statistics, or trends, or affiliations. People are too obsessed with what everyone else is doing, and they are wasting time that could be spent doing something good for themselves.

The decisions I have made in my life are MY OWN. I blame no one. I give credit to no one. You want to wait until you're 30 to get married? FINE! Marry at 16 to your 2nd cousin? FINE! Wanna be gay forever? FINE!

It's YOUR life. It's shorter than you think. Stop bitching about what everyone else is doing and start focusing on what really matters...

This is why I hate people....:mad:
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Mrs. Goat?
 
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unltd1

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WE LOVE YOU TIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CHEER UP!!!!!!!!

"Forgive me, I'd been drinking..."

Hey Meat...There is no "Mrs. Goat" anymore, by the way. She was tortured, electrocuted, hacked to pieces, mixed up with dog food, and force-fed to the other 5 sex slaves he has chained in his basement. Once they pop out his devil-spawn, he'll have a nice little congregation built up for his "new religion". Isn't that how they all begin anyway?

Wait, maybe I just saw that on TV...

Someday we're all going to look back on our lives and just laugh. Remember that while you're taking everything so seriously now.
 
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Meat_

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Location
Lehi
unltd1 said:
...Hey Meat...There is no "Mrs. Goat" anymore, by the way. She was tortured, electrocuted, hacked to pieces, mixed up with dog food, and force-fed to the other 5 sex slaves he has chained in his basement. Once they pop out his devil-spawn, he'll have a nice little congregation built up for his "new religion". Isn't that how they all begin anyway?

Wait, maybe I just saw that on TV...
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:D

There's no Mrs. Markus, but you are Mrs. GOAT :p

I'm terrible with names so most of the time you are not Jen, you are Mrs. GOAT.... as in "so GOAT, where is Mrs. GOAT? Doesn't she like to wheel with you anymore?"
 
Amy

Amy

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Good thread! I agree with Cody for the most part. Coming from colorado, where I lived 23 out of 26 years of my life I cant tell a HUGE difference in the marrige conflict between utah and colorado. Meaning, while living in Colorado there are A LOT of divorced people with several kids. Its unbelievable, I dont know if its getting married to young or that Colorado has a very good social scene and TONS of temptations around every corner. It seems that the thing to do in colorado is get married, have a few kids and get divorced. Since I have lived in Utah I have noticed that there is an UNBELIEVABLE pressure to get married and pop out a few kids in a very short amount of time and very young. I dont understand it, I think personal indepenence is an extremely important thing in an young persons life, to understand what its like to be on your own in the real world and able to mature and deal with many different scenarios having be good or bad. I notice that in Utah there are a LOT of young married people with new kids or everytime I leave my house I see a pregnant woman about to pop. I never noticed this much of a trend in Colorado. Now these observations I have made have been my own and not based off of anyone elses opinion. I hardly have any friends in Utah, by choice, since I have lived here, which means I may not have been out and about enought to make a justified response to the high marrige and babies at a young age in this state. I also find WAY too much info for young women about the materialistic aspects of the a wedding and not the part of TILL DEATH DO YOU PART. There are billboards and website and tv channels devoted to having the best wedding. I think the younger generation these days appeals more to the BLING BLING aspect of having everything when your young. Your wedding day is about you and one other person and your devotion to be best friends, lovers, fighters and breeders. If you cant look ahead as to what marrige is with the person your exchaging your vows with you should not get married. Go back to the bar, take a few shots and find yourself a one nighter.....LMAO just kidding...wear a condom!!! :p
 
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