Another route to amasa back. it it further up the canyon and is a trail up the cliff to the north in the same valley that kane creek is in.
Moab trail difficulty
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Another route to amasa back. it it further up the canyon and is a trail up the cliff to the north in the same valley that kane creek is in.
I make exceptions for obstacles that 98% of people have to winch. Eagles nest and the exits to Upper Hell and Upper Proving Grounds being prime examples.
Eagles nest is one of those examples where the end obstacle is actuallly 5 times more difficult than the trail. It wasn't always that way--believe it or not Contrictor actually used to be a relatively difficult trail--but thats the way it is now.
Eagles nest is one of those examples where the end obstacle is actuallly 5 times more difficult than the trail. It wasn't always that way--believe it or not Contrictor actually used to be a relatively difficult trail--but thats the way it is now.
So If I hike around to the top of Half Dome did I successfully climb it? I just bypassed the really difficult section.....
so if a rig breaks on the first obstacle and is then strapped through the entire trail, did they successfullly do the trail?
I could drag damn near any rig through Pritchett--I mean Pritchett is barely a 3 until the last 1/2 mile or so when you get to Rocker Knocker, axle hill, and rock pile. With enough force I could pull a ugo up those obstacles I guess. But does that count?
I mean really, this is just semantics, but I was just expressing my oppinion and I am firmly of the oppinion that if you rrig doesn't have a legitimate shot of navigating every obstacle on a trail under it's own power it doesn't belong on the trail. I hate it when you see a group of built rigs and their "buddy" tagging along in a YJ, open on 31's and brags about how he can keep up with all the buggy's because they drug him through a hard trail.
Maybe for a trail to truly be a 5 rated trail.... it should be mandatory to drag a Ugo through it. :brett:
Medsker
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That sounds fun to do just for kicks. Next time I'm ready to donate a car...
timpanogos
Push to the Peak
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Last weekend on the snakes, two built rigs and one stockish jeep. After watching/spotting the young man in the stockish rig through Rattlesnake … he asked about Constrictor.
Normally I would say no way you don’t belong there. But he wheeled his rig so well I told him to go for it. He required a minor strap at radiator rapids and of course the nest. The rest of the trail he wheeled all the way through, unassisted. I’ve seen locked rigs get winched/strapped at radiator.
Most importantly, we had fun, came out safe and with no carnage. It was a gorgeous day and all involved had a blast.
Who cares about rather the young man “actually” or “technically” or what ever the hell you want to call it … “ran constrictor”
Most ALL of the trails in moab are of this caliber. Let him with the balls and skills to give it a go … go for it.
I will moderate this with the case where there are many in the group or other groups that are effected by a rigs/drivers limitations. As long as others are not hung up … who cares.
As was the case last Saturday, we pulled out of the way and let a group of built rigs pass us up.
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Kyle
Normally I would say no way you don’t belong there. But he wheeled his rig so well I told him to go for it. He required a minor strap at radiator rapids and of course the nest. The rest of the trail he wheeled all the way through, unassisted. I’ve seen locked rigs get winched/strapped at radiator.
Most importantly, we had fun, came out safe and with no carnage. It was a gorgeous day and all involved had a blast.
Who cares about rather the young man “actually” or “technically” or what ever the hell you want to call it … “ran constrictor”
Most ALL of the trails in moab are of this caliber. Let him with the balls and skills to give it a go … go for it.
I will moderate this with the case where there are many in the group or other groups that are effected by a rigs/drivers limitations. As long as others are not hung up … who cares.
As was the case last Saturday, we pulled out of the way and let a group of built rigs pass us up.
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Which part of the trail is Radiator Rapids?
timpanogos
Push to the Peak
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- Heber
just a little below the nest
timpanogos
Push to the Peak
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- Heber
First post I stated an opinion, second post I gave an example to support the opinion. As to some formal ”semantic discussion”, when did the topic of this thread ever evolve into some “of or relating to meaning in language” discussion? Please clarify the semantic target being discussed.
I assume your opinion is every bit as personal as mine.
themaniam1
Just Empty Every Pocket
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The "symantics" part of this thread might do well as its own topic.
Now for trail ratings. I have not done very many trails around here so I cannot rate them but I am interested in the list. I feel that a trail rating should be done as if there were no by passes. That way someone who wants to do a trail can have a better idea if they want to try it. It would be nice to also have a minimum rating that indicates that there are by passes and what the rating toughest of the by passes is. That would give the trail a minimum rating that all rigs will have to do in order to complete it under their own power (driving skill not included).
Example: If a tral is a 5/3+, then I would expect to have to strap/winch my rig at least once somewhere along the trail if I do all the hard lines on all of the obstacles. But I could also take an average lifted 4x4 vehicle with open diffs and complete the trail too by use of the by passes.
Now if the a trail rating had only one value then that would mean that at some point there is an obstacle that has no by pass and you must get over it (wether by driving, strap or winch) in order to get to the end of the trail.
Anyway if I was to write a trail book that is how I would do my ratings so anyone can tell if their rig should be able to handle it.
Now for trail ratings. I have not done very many trails around here so I cannot rate them but I am interested in the list. I feel that a trail rating should be done as if there were no by passes. That way someone who wants to do a trail can have a better idea if they want to try it. It would be nice to also have a minimum rating that indicates that there are by passes and what the rating toughest of the by passes is. That would give the trail a minimum rating that all rigs will have to do in order to complete it under their own power (driving skill not included).
Example: If a tral is a 5/3+, then I would expect to have to strap/winch my rig at least once somewhere along the trail if I do all the hard lines on all of the obstacles. But I could also take an average lifted 4x4 vehicle with open diffs and complete the trail too by use of the by passes.
Now if the a trail rating had only one value then that would mean that at some point there is an obstacle that has no by pass and you must get over it (wether by driving, strap or winch) in order to get to the end of the trail.
Anyway if I was to write a trail book that is how I would do my ratings so anyone can tell if their rig should be able to handle it.
what are symantics? is that the study of companies that make anti virus software?
I think a rating that has actual ratting vs. bypasses rating would be useful but difficult since every day someone who gets in over their head starts a new bypass.
themaniam1
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WayneXJ
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greenjeep
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My opinion.
1 - Pritchet: including Rocker Knocker, right side Yellow Hill, Rock Pile bypass. Driving Rock Pile = 5+
2 - Hells Revenge: all obstacles including Hell's Gate, Micky's Hot Tub and the Escalator
3 - Metal Masher: including Rock Chucker, Widowmaker and Mother-in-law Hill
4 - Behind the Rocks: including down High Dive, up Upchuck, down White Knuckle. Backwards with Hunter Canyon, up White Knuckle and High Dive = 5+
5 - Golden Spike: all obstacles but Double Whammy. Double Whammy = 5+
6 - Moab Rim: all obstacles including sand hill
7 - Poison Spider: all obstacles
8 - Steelbender: all obstacles
9 - Cliffhanger: hard lines
10 - Kane Creek: hard lines
That's my ranking, flame away.
1 - Pritchet: including Rocker Knocker, right side Yellow Hill, Rock Pile bypass. Driving Rock Pile = 5+
2 - Hells Revenge: all obstacles including Hell's Gate, Micky's Hot Tub and the Escalator
3 - Metal Masher: including Rock Chucker, Widowmaker and Mother-in-law Hill
4 - Behind the Rocks: including down High Dive, up Upchuck, down White Knuckle. Backwards with Hunter Canyon, up White Knuckle and High Dive = 5+
5 - Golden Spike: all obstacles but Double Whammy. Double Whammy = 5+
6 - Moab Rim: all obstacles including sand hill
7 - Poison Spider: all obstacles
8 - Steelbender: all obstacles
9 - Cliffhanger: hard lines
10 - Kane Creek: hard lines
That's my ranking, flame away.
timpanogos
Push to the Peak
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where is double whammy on Golden Spike at?
jpest
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Just after the crack sorta hidden.