Montana LLC.

[glockman]

I know this has been talked about here and I think a couple people have followed through. Here is the situation. I'm buying two new ADV bikes and I'm fed up with Utah and being taxed to death.

So I am looking at creating an LLC in Montana to A) Avoid the sales tax B) Avoid paying $175 per year to register a motorcycle that Utah charges and C) possibly register my 4 trailers in Montana to save those ridiculous Utah fees.

So have you done this, who did you go through?

 

[jeeper]

This is who I used. They are very responsive and helpful.. But in the end it didn't work for me due to a title issue.. so I just cancelled my account with them.
My business is still open though.. maybe you can 'buy' that from me to save a few bucks? We can look into that..

Montana Registered Agent | $49 Montana Registered Agent

Montana Registered Agent service for just $49 a year. Full service registered agents ready to handle your LLC, corporation and vehicle registration needs.

www.49dollarmontanaregisteredagent.com

 

[85CUCVKRAWLER]

^^^^^^^

I use the same people. They are great and their website is super easy to use.

Just FYI the setup costs for the first vehicle are gonna run you roughly $1000. Every vehicle after that has been generally another $300. You also have yearly registration fees which are like $100 IIRC.

It's not cheap but it pays for itself depending on the situation.

For example I originally got it for my K5 when I lived in VA so the cops would stop harassing me about "lift law" nonsense. I also have another vehicle on it I keep in VA for the wife to drive and not have to deal with emissions.

 

[glockman]

That is who I was looking at but wasn't sure how to vet them properly. Two RME reviews is enough for me.
It looks like it's $998 to register the LLC and two motorcycles which have permanent tags so it's just $49 a year after that to have them file the annual report.

The sales tax in Ut for these two bikes is $2k. So I save a grand now and $300 a year after that.

 

[jeeper]

There is also an annual filing fee for the state of Montana. It’s $20 if you do it yourself and $50 to have them do it for you. If I remember right

 

[anderson750]

I used Bennett Law

 

[N-Smooth]

I dug up this article about this topic cause I remember reading it and it interested me. I would really love to do this but I feel like I'd be freaking out about getting busted the whole time. You guys aren't freaking out?

Utahns save thousands in sales tax by registering new cars in Montana. But is it legal?

A clever way to save money, or cheating? Matt Gephardt investigates how some car buyers avoid paying taxes.

ksltv.com

 

[85CUCVKRAWLER]

I dug up this article about this topic cause I remember reading it and it interested me. I would really love to do this but I feel like I'd be freaking out about getting busted the whole time. You guys aren't freaking out?

Utahns save thousands in sales tax by registering new cars in Montana. But is it legal?

A clever way to save money, or cheating? Matt Gephardt investigates how some car buyers avoid paying taxes.

ksltv.com

My wife got pulled over in VA with MT tags and they grilled her like a drug dealer about it, but they eventually just dropped it.

 

[jeeper]

My buddy is an officer in Murray. I asked him a while back, he said it doesn’t matter to him, but did say that Montana plates are often on the wrong vehicles

I’m sure highway patrol would be more familiar than city police and might have a different opinion though.

I’m running Indiana plates on a trailer right now. I’ve been followed a couple times by police without being pulled over 🤷🏼‍♂️

 

[Herzog]

Tempting. Here in WY there's no income tax, but boy do they make up for it in vehicle sales tax and registration fees. Holy crap.

 

[Gravy]

I want to know what ADV bikes you're buying?
Also ask Tyson. He knows lots about what you're doing here.
Also for OHV stuff remember there's no repriscosity between Utah and other states. You still have to get a yearly out of state tag on the stuff you take off-road even if it's plated. I was recently chastised by a fish-cop for not OHV taging my street legal plated bike.

 

[anderson750]

My wife got pulled over in VA with MT tags and they grilled her like a drug dealer about it, but they eventually just dropped it.

To avoid this a little I registered my enclosed in Montana also. The LLC I registered is a name that does not directly tie to my name and I created a lease contract for the use of the vehicle. Is it full proof? Probably not but gives me some legitimacy.

 

[RockChucker]

I want to know what ADV bikes you're buying?
Also ask Tyson. He knows lots about what you're doing here.
Also for OHV stuff remember there's no repriscosity between Utah and other states. You still have to get a yearly out of state tag on the stuff you take off-road even if it's plated. I was recently chastised by a fish-cop for not OHV taging my street legal plated bike.

Seriously? That begs the question on how long it will be before we have to get OHV tags for our streetable rigs.

 

[anderson750]

I want to know what ADV bikes you're buying?
Also ask Tyson. He knows lots about what you're doing here.
Also for OHV stuff remember there's no repriscosity between Utah and other states. You still have to get a yearly out of state tag on the stuff you take off-road even if it's plated. I was recently chastised by a fish-cop for not OHV taging my street legal plated bike.

Huh????

It has always been my understanding that street legal motorcycles are not required to have anything. I think you had a run in with a fish cop with a lack of knowledge of the law.

 

[Gravy]

Huh????

It has always been my understanding that street legal motorcycles are not required to have anything. I think you had a run in with a fish cop with a lack of knowledge of the law.

It used to be so.
Verified with the DMV.
If it's off-road they want both.
Asinine.
That's why I played dumb.

 

[jeeper]

It used to be so.
Verified with the DMV.
If it's off-road they want both.
Asinine.
That's why I played dumb.

So if I ride my Goldwing up AF canyon, am I supposed to get an OHV tag?

 

[cruiseroutfit]

It used to be so.
Verified with the DMV.
If it's off-road they want both.
Asinine.
That's why I played dumb.

Hmmm, suspect. I want to see a State Code on that.

 

[anderson750]

Hmmm, suspect. I want to see a State Code on that.

I don’t know how they can require a dual registration. To me that would be in line with saying a Jeep needs an off road tag also

 

[cruiseroutfit]

I don’t know how they can require a dual registration.

Some states do have laws that OHV tags are required even for street-legal 4x4's. But if Utah does it, I want to see the code.

 

[DAA]

My buddy Steve that gets his F-150's stuck all the time gets all his stuff plated in Montana now, using one of these services. He does the lease from the LLC thing too. Just between his new truck and boat it saved him thousands of dollars.

- DAA