Noob tow rig questions

Rot Box

Diesel and Dust
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I would be all over this one if I was still looking. Short bed, four doors, PSD with an aftermarket intercooler (they don't come stock with them) and exhaust housing upgrade, manual trans, and a dana 60 front--that's about as good as these trucks can get and this one looks really clean imo. Price seems in line with the competition :cool: Anyway again I am not trying to sell you on Fords--I hate all American vehicles built after 1979 :D

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=0&nid=443&tab=list/view&ad=3184321
 

Rot Box

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There is a very helpful "Diesel truck buyers guide" on the November 2010 (newest) issue of Diesel Power. Just read through it and there is a bunch of useful information on all makes from the early 80's to present.
 
How much is a f*rd supercrew?

I've towed with a 95 chev 1500 xcab, 81 1/2ton burb, 99 3/4ton burb 454 (zoom zoom) and '03 excursion 7.3. I love the excursion!

Having invested a LOT of money in the tow rig and trailer, and then tow rig doo-dads, I wonder sometimes about the wisdom of my choices. Since it's all nearly paid off, I'm keeping it, (anyway, I'd take a bath if I sold it, and couldn't replace it for the $$). But I still wonder...

I have often thought about selling it and buying a '91 3/4ton burb. Yes, it would only have the 350, and pulls over Parleys would suck. But it would be cheap, and I could easily swap in a 454 (btdt) or 8.1.

I have kids (and their cousins and friends, etc) so the burb/excursion is kind of a must. I liked the '99 burb. Ok, loved it, but really wanted to try a diesel for towing, and admittedly, diesels are awesome for towing!!!

If a deez is required, I'd go for the 99-03 dudge or f*rd. I'm a chevy guy, and those are my recommendations, based on bang for the buck. 6spd or auto (you'll rebuild the auto, plan on around $3500). Since having my excursion, I'm totally sold on the stupidoody.

So, I love my deezuuulll, even as a daily driver, but here's my daily drive: to the gym (7-10 minutes), back home, to work (12-15 minutes), then back home. It has a chance to warm up and stay warm in the morning, same with the drive home. I really love pulling with my deez as well.

Now, here's the weird part, especially for those that know me. For the last year for work I've been driving an '06 super crew, and lately, an '08 super crew. Both have the 5.4 and medium size sterling rear axle (9 3/4?) It's basically a 3/4ton. You know what? I've loved these trucks! So has my family! Easy to start, quick to get going, no waiting for the turbo to cool down, etc. AND...I even towed a buddy's jeep with the '06. Loaded up in Sandy, over the point, down to Orem. Towed like a dream. Had it floored climbing the point, but managed 65 to 70. The wheelbase was nice too (warning: tahoes and grand cherokees, in my humble opinion, are too short for towing 4x4s on trailers). I could seriously live with this truck! But I'd never pull two jeeps on a trailer like I've done with my excursion. And I'd sell it before the tranny blew up at 105,000 miles.

One other thing: flat towing with a 1/2ton is fine, but if you are gonna trailer it, get a 3/4ton so that you'll have more control over the trailer, and a safer, more enjoyable drive.

Find a supercrew or a chev with a 6.0 and see how you like it. Drive it for a couple years, then sell it if you really need more. Or a 3/4ton burb, if you need the seats. Don't go with an older rig unless you need another project. '96 or newer.

I fretted and surfed and agonized for months before each of my tow rig purchases, but was overall happy each time, and I'll be keeping the excursion for a long time.

Brett
 

sixstringsteve

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Wow, great advice Brett, thanks.

I think I'm going to stay away from the 6.0, I've heard bad things about that motor. I like a 454 or an 8.1 for the gasser. I'm pretty sure I'm wanting a gasser, but if the right diesel came along I wouldn't pass it up.

Why did you sell your 99 burb?
 
I've heard bad about the f*rd 6.0, but nothing bad about the chevy 6.0. I'd take one in a heartbeat (no pun intended).

I sold the 99 burb mainly because I had deezul fever, but also because the lease was up, little problems were cropping up, stuff I didn't want to deal with. Great rig though, felt like a sports car compared to my X.
 

Herzog

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There was a really good video posted a while back about the ford 6.0. Basically the big flaw in that motor was that it was designed to run on European diesel, which is much cleaner and more refined than even our current ULSD. Also something about the head using bolts instead of studs? I'll have to find it again.

The ford 6.4's are just simply amazing and powerful, not to mention the new transmissions that come with them. Problem is the price tag. But man they are kinda luxurious and they ride like a dream.

The other one I have experience with would be a 2003 3/4 7.3L powerstroke. It was a beast and I loved it. Because it was a long-bed quad-cab, I couldn't even feel the trailer & jeep behind me. It was cool. The transmission didn't last very long though.

I'm going on year #7 with my 2001 Dodge 3/4ton Cummins. I love my truck but everything seems to be falling apart around the drive-train. I just need to give it more attention and fix some things. My vp44 went out at ~213k (original pump) and that has been the only "major" fix to my engine to date. I'm guess mine lasted so long was because I still have never chipped or modded the truck for performance. I've been pretty happy with its stock output. Now that I have a new pump and the miles are getting higher, I'm considering it just for fun now. I still have a lot of power and the mileage has been great as well. A little extra could be icing on the cake though.

Also, I have no idea if I'm just lucky or what so far but I'm still on my original auto transmission, no rebuilds at 215k+ now. Might also be another perk of not chipping the truck or that I just don't romp on it too much. It does feel like it needs the bands to be tightened up again but the only other thing I've had to do to that transmission was change two solenoids in it.

One other thing - I've towed with an expedition before, which I guess is a half ton. It had airbags which were nice and kept the rear up when hooked on... but even with trailer brakes, that was a scary tow for me. Maybe because I wasn't used to using that small of a rig to tow with but the trailer pushed that rig all over the road, and expeditions are not that small. The power was OK and got me there and back. I suppose with a lighter trailer (still with trailer brakes) it would be a viable choice because they do make great daily drivers.

I've considered selling my dodge for an excursion because they are the truck(iest) suv you can get it seems. Not to mention they have the 7.3! :D Now with two kids and all the gear that goes with it seems like a good idea. But I'm still on the fence... Glad to hear you like it, Maverick.
 
If you (or anyone) does an X, two things are required: Rear bags and different front springs, (either leveling kit or F350 V-code springs). Then, sit back and enjoy the ride. mbryson didn't make it to that point; he towed with the excursion in stock form and didn't like it. I know there were other factors, but the stock ride leaves much to be desired.

Another option, and a truck that I borrowed to tow my broken burb with was a '99 F250 with the V10. Did great, and they are pretty cheap and a great daily driver.
 

mbryson

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If you (or anyone) does an X, two things are required: Rear bags and different front springs, (either leveling kit or F350 V-code springs). Then, sit back and enjoy the ride. mbryson didn't make it to that point; he towed with the excursion in stock form and didn't like it. I know there were other factors, but the stock ride leaves much to be desired..........



There were some other factors. I believe the 7.3L Excursion to be an "ok" tow rig out of the box. It's basically got half ton springs on a 3/4 chassis. Not exactly ideal. I was going to just swap springs from a truck and be back to what I was used to but there were some other factors involved.

I like the Dodge I have quite a bit more than the 7.3L Excursion, but not quite as much as the '99 7.3l F250 crew cab I had (speaking towing specifically). The Dodge is an overall nicer truck to drive, but has some "Dodge" issues that are annoying (not that the Ford didn't have "Ford" issues). The Ford LOVED to tow and the Dodge puts up with it (except the engine LOVES to tow).

If something happens to my Dodge, I'm just going to find me the cleanest '92-97 460 stickshift Ford crewcab I can find. (unless a magic '88-91 Chev shows up) Driving your tow rig is annoying, IMHO. I believe I'd give up some trail ability for streetability on the trail rig and just drive the Jeep around. Anyone want to swap my Jeep for their LJ?
 
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Rot Box

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Great vid Herzog :cool: I would dispute the part about the factory turbocharged (93-94) IDI's being junk and blowing head gaskets though--totally a false statement. I'm the only one on the board that caught that I'm sure :rofl:
 
Any idea on the MPG or overall longevity of these engines?

MPG? Dunno...only put a couple tanks worth in. I've heard 10-15ish, depending on where/when/what. Hmmm, just like my deezul. If my friend ever sells hers though, I'm buying it. It's her daily driver, and tows their boat and atv's, so she's not in any hurry to sell.

Longevity...longer than an auto behind an oil burner. :D Funny, a friend bought a 2000 f*rd 7.3 with a 6speed so he wouldn't have to rebuild the auto...and toasted his clutch right after he got it. I've heard of spark plugs popping out of the V10, but not first hand. BC used to tease us diesel guys that his V10 was costing him less money every time we mentioned some diesel related malady.
 
If something happens to my Dodge, I'm just going to find me the cleanest '92-97 460 stickshift Ford crewcab I can find. (unless a magic '88-91 Chev shows up) Driving your tow rig is annoying, IMHO. I believe I'd give up some trail ability for streetability on the trail rig and just drive the Jeep around. Anyone want to swap my Jeep for their LJ?

A detroit will give you most of the streetability that you are looking for and it's cheaper than an LJ. Ours are set up pretty similarly 'cept yours climbs better (and it ain't just the driver, there's some weird sticky voodoo mojo under that silver paint). Yours would actually be more streetable than mine since you have an auto and I've gotta shift that ol' 465.

Good advice on the '92-'97 460 crewcab...just make sure it's an F350 (did they make F250 crewcabs back then?) 9mpg though, uphill or down.

I knew there'd be a reference to an '88-91 somewhere from you ;)
 

BCGPER

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I'll stand on that cheaper record. 9 years, it's seen one surpertine belt and just got it's first battery change. I just did the ball joints, but that's a Ferd thing.

The plug blow is in fact an issue. About 1/2 of 1% have popped a plug. Exactly the same as the 5.4 numbers, all Ferd's suffer from this. ;)

The V-10 with 3.73 gears is a total dog. The 4.30 gears wakes it up and lets the motor rev high, which is where it likes to run.

My V-10 with 4.30's got as high as 14 MPG, once.... Plan on 9 to 11 in real life though.

BTW I no longer own that truck, but my kid is tickled pink with it. :D

BC used to tease us diesel guys that his V10 was costing him less money every time we mentioned some diesel related malady.
 
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sixstringsteve

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Yeah, I deleted that post.

He offered to trade, then when I got interested he said "oh, and I"ll need $4k cash from you too". So it wasn't relevant anymore. SOrry 'bout the confusion.
 

mbryson

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Yeah, I deleted that post.

He offered to trade, then when I got interested he said "oh, and I"ll need $4k cash from you too". So it wasn't relevant anymore. SOrry 'bout the confusion.


I wondered about that. A guy going from a 35K mile Dodge to a 200K Toyota sounded a little interesting. Miles are miles. From a non-Toyota person perspective, I'm scared of that price with that many miles. Just my perspective. I don't know if that helps out at all. I believe there are a number of vehicles that will go to 300K and this is likely one, but after 200K you'll have an issue or 20, Toyota, Jeep, Hyandai, Honda, Ford or whatever.
 
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