Romney is out

[Brett]

I don't believe every aspect of our lives should be decided by government. That's a big Democratic flaw. The more "help" we need here at home from our government will cause bigger problems elsewhere. Just look at all the help we gave the middle east.

And it's called "Globalization" and sustained warfare. Do I dare mention war profiteering as well?

hmm....Let me rephrase that then. I don't think that the federal goverment needs to be "helping" here. I think that the US should stop being the world police. We don't need to be out deciding world policy and invading countries.

 

[Brett]

It becomes a problem when other countries start to not support us. We are not the only country that is capable of being a 'super power'.

Exactly, and China is well on her way to being a super power.

 

[RWH]

I don't see the war in Iraq the way you do I reckon, We're succeeding there. I realize there is a burden of life, and money that every American, almost every person in the world may feel. With 20/20 like you stated previously it's easy to see that there may have been a better course of action, but we're where we are and I honestly believe we need to follow through.

Yes I do value the opinion of Americans on America more than a foreigners.
My statement is based more on my opinion of, Get your own house in order before you seek to tell others how to do so.
Yeah I'm probably bullheaded about that to the point where it's probably a little counterproductive.

As far as America being built on Idea's, I agree politicians are rarely the example of purity and innocence. I mainly argue against saying "who cares" when someone has told lies that betray some of the deepest commitments a man can make.

Clinton did good things in office, but it's my opinion that he did more bad than good. That is of course from the viewpoint of a conservative. It all comes down to your personal belief of what this country should be. Universal healthcare is bad in my opinion, but good in the view of others, it all depends what your goal is and what you think this nation should be.

I enjoy seeing your viewpoint, thankyou.

 

[Herzog]

I enjoy seeing your viewpoint, thankyou.

x2. I think that's what this is mostly about anyways. It's good to see from a broader perspective.

 

[phatfoto]

As a retired military man, I have a lot of issues with Clinton, Inc. Ludicrous manpower reductions, social engineering, drastically reduced budgets, and drawing down our forces due to the so-called "Peace Dividend". I know folks that had contact with POTUS and his witch, and few have anything pleasant to say. Especially of Hitlery. I am sad to say, Bill's signature adorns my retirement certificate. THIS will never see a wall, nor be removed from its box.

Not following through on promises to bring to justice those responsible for WTC attack 1, Kohbar tower attack, attacks on our embassies and the attack on the USS Cole. Probably more that I'm forgetting.

WAGGING HIS FINGER at me like he was scolding me, "I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky" stands out. Dude, admit you fu**ed up. Geez. Had yo NOT done that, there probably would never have been impeachment proceedings. And yes, he was CONVICTED, but not removed. Wimps. Don't go halfway. Besides, when the Lewinsky story broke, he threw cruise missiles into an aspirin factory instead of going after the embassy bombers.

As a father, I have a real problem with Billy Jeff. Kids seeing the Pres get away with lies and flouting authority means a lot to them. And yes, Oral is still SEX, no matter what the Pres said. Yup, a whole generation introduced to this.

Should we discuss domestic issues? Welfare reform that wasn't?

Look, he wasn't that good of a President, but he wasn't ALL that bad either. He was lucky to preside over a great peace period. But he did nothing to improve the world's opinion of the US, afterall, what is the definition of "IS"? Real bright brother...

Not good but not too bad. But I do not believe he is a good MAN! period.

Though, I admit, he would probably be fun to party with. At least he'd pick all the ugly, fat, big nosed womenz!

 

[soda blaster]

Personally I do blame clinton for 9/11 if he had gone after osama after the first attack there would be no 9/11. Was osama as big before 9/11 no becasue clinton down played it and buried it end of story. He let the world know we would not do anything to defend ourselves that is why 9/11 happened I am not bashing anyones opinion we all ahve them and this is mine

 

[Spork]

blah blah Clinton, Clinton it's just sex

Ignore the whole lying to the grand jury, lying to the country, cheating on the wife, ignore the fact she is an intern (not a co-worker, not a secretary of something, not a casual acquaintance), slightly older than his daughter, AN INTERN (someones kid whose parents sent her off to get an educational experience in Washington). Ignore the presidential office, denying of the facts, trust in the office and pull those blinders tight.

You're right if I ignore all that the world is all rosy.
Monica's Ex-Boyfriend's Wife for president!

We aren't voting for Bill we are voting for the lady that let all that slide. (it's not like it was the first time Bill is just a frisky feller.)

Hillary should be great. She's able to ignore any kind of indiscretion or misdeed. Pakistan invaded India? no problem, the lack of cheap phone support will stimulate jobs in the US we are still we're ok, North Korea launches a Nuke on Japan? That was just a friendly game, Crazy Kim didn't mean anything by it. China invades Taiwan? Aren't they all Chinese there anyway? As long as we get our national health care and all the children are raised by the village we'll be ok.

 

[soda blaster]

Brett said
It's sex....it doesn't need to involve the nation. There's a reason he wasn't removed from office.


What freedom's changed for you?



I've already agreed on this that it was a bad choice on his part.



What would you have had him do? Invade countries like Bush has done and screwed the US's image all over the world, killed thousands of our troops and basically placed us in a position of not being able to withdraw from two countries without the region destabilizing? Oh, wait......



He lied about sex. Who cares? Do I care about your sex life or anyone else in the goverment? Nope. As to Bush, never once in this thread have I said anything about him until you mentioned it. If Bush had done the same thing, I'd still be saying I could care less he creamed an interns mouth.[/QUOTE]















I would say I care that he lied When the president direspects every person in this country by lying to the grand jury i would say it does effect us. He asked to be president so he asked for every detail about his life to be on display thats why they call it public office. Honestly clinton should have sent in teams to just assasinate the offending parties quietly and clean. How would he know for sure well if he hadn't cut the intell. budget he would have known.

 

[Brett]

MASSIVE EDIT SO PEOPLE STOP HAVING SEIZURES

Hillary should be great. She's able to ignore any kind of indiscretion or misdeed. Pakistan invaded India? no problem, the lack of cheap phone support will stimulate jobs in the US we are still we're ok, North Korea launches a Nuke on Japan? That was just a friendly game, Crazy Kim didn't mean anything by it. China invades Taiwan? Aren't they all Chinese there anyway? As long as we get our national health care and all the children are raised by the village we'll be ok.

Wow, you all get dramatic and just slightly over the top in your sensationalism.

Me, I'm going to bed.

 

[Maverick]

Wow, you all get dramatic and just slightly over the top in your sensationalism.

Me, I'm going to bed.

whatever.

You don't get it, so anyone who does is dramatic and slightly over the top sensational.

I don't remember every detail, nor do I care to, but I recall getting that "I wanna hurl" feeling when I saw Clinton emerge during the primaries, then 8 years of living through every two-faced lie, every shallow, calculated comment, every moment of taking credit for the actions of others; evading, dodging, lying, double-speak. Sickening. Gutless. You can take our word for it or not, but dismissing our reaction as "dramatic" is pretty lame.

You ask for reasons, you have been given reasons. You don't believe it could have possibly been that bad...and you just may be lucky enough to experience it for yourself. Have fun now, cuz once Obamillery puts in a new Secretary of the Interior, BLM policies will change, just like they did in '92.

One more thing, I also remember being so freakin' happy in '94 when Gingrich took over congress and the changes they made. Much of that "revolution" was the public's response to the first 2 years of Clinton. The list of what they wanted to accomplish was awesome, and the one that stood out was turning over speed limits to the states. That was freakin' HUGE!!! As I recall, they worked through that list and brought up and voted on everything on the list. Not all passed, but each item was given a chance.

Bush has made me sick with the Patriot act, but I'll take him over Clinton.

Brett (the original)

 

[Brett]

whatever.

You don't get it, so anyone who does is dramatic and slightly over the top sensational.

I don't remember every detail, nor do I care to, but I recall getting that "I wanna hurl" feeling when I saw Clinton emerge during the primaries, then 8 years of living through every two-faced lie, every shallow, calculated comment, every moment of taking credit for the actions of others; evading, dodging, lying, double-speak. Sickening. Gutless. You can take our word for it or not, but dismissing our reaction as "dramatic" is pretty lame.
Brett (the original)

This is what I call "over the top and sensationialist.

She's able to ignore any kind of indiscretion or misdeed. Pakistan invaded India? no problem, the lack of cheap phone support will stimulate jobs in the US we are still we're ok, North Korea launches a Nuke on Japan? That was just a friendly game, Crazy Kim didn't mean anything by it. China invades Taiwan? Aren't they all Chinese there anyway? As long as we get our national health care and all the children are raised by the village we'll be ok.

I wasn't talking about your comment or any of the other normal ones.

 

[Brett]

And can one of the mods split this thread since it no longer has anything to do with Romney

 

[SAMI]

Brett (the original)

 

[richpblaze]

Dude you need to put down the bong

It's sex....it doesn't need to involve the nation. There's a reason he wasn't removed from office.




And wake up THE ONLY GOOD thing billl did for this country is make bj's not a sexual act. What is happening right now is bill trickling down, as well as fallout from 9-11 If your boy bill was not in office and we had someone with balls that were not in some lil chickies mouth, we probably would not be in this recession WHICH is just starting.

What would you have had him do? Invade countries like Bush has done and screwed the US's image all over the world, killed thousands of our troops and basically placed us in a position of not being able to withdraw from two countries without the region destabilizing? Oh, wait......



He lied about sex. Who cares? Do I care about your sex life or anyone else in the goverment? Nope. As to Bush, never once in this thread have I said anything about him until you mentioned it. If Bush had done the same thing, I'd still be saying I could care less he creamed an interns mouth.

And wake up THE ONLY GOOD thing billl did for this country is make bj's not a sexual act. What is happening right now is bill trickling down, as well as fallout from 9-11 If your boy bill was not in office and we had someone with balls that were not in some lil chickies mouth, we probably would not be in this recession WHICH is just starting.

 

[richpblaze]

Have you ever been to another Country?????

I think that it's a problem that most American's don't care. Then they wonder why they aren't treated well in other countries. Or why other countries are pulling out their troops and no longer wanting to help the United States.

Not sure what you mean by our own media giving us a negative outlook though......clairfy for me?

And not, I didn't mean Bush himself has killed them. Iraqi's and Afganies (sp?) have. Personally, I just don't believe that we should be in either of those countries. There's more to do here at home and I think that we should concentrate on home instead of nation building.

I doubt it you are way to naive. I DOUBT you have ever been out of Utah.

 

[Tacoma]

well this thread sure took a delightful turn.



AND I DIDN"T START THIS ONE!

 

[Crinco]

Hillery and Bill seem to me to be very much the same, and the policies will probably be the same too. Didn't she try to get her "National Health Program" passed when she was in office----I mean when Bill was in office the last time??? She is Trouble with a CAPITAL T. She could not even stand up to her husband when he cheated on HER, she just couldn't stand the idea of being out of her "power" seat as first lady, now she wants it back.
So as I understand this,, Romney is dropping out to give the Republicans a better chance of keeping the Dems out of office? His running and loosing strengthens the Dems position for the hot seat? He disagrees with McCain on so many issues, will he be able to pledge his support for him, or will he give it to huckleberry?
CR

 

[RWH]

He won't be supporting Huckabee, He said he would support and endorse the national nominee, and without Romney endorsing Huckabee before there is a delegate majority nominee Huckabee will not be able to become the nominee, What we'll see is McCain building up the Base and making statement to unite the conservative wings. Once he's done this well enough I believe he'll move to the center and begin working some of the dems. I don't foresee Huckabee as having much of a chance against McCain at this point. Huckabee's only real chance was the same as Romneys, both staying in and splitting the base well enough to deny McCain enough delegates to win the nomination and taking it into a brokered convention. That won't happen now. I Believe McCain becomes the nominee and who he selects as VIP may have a huge impact on just how well he'll unite the base, determining if he can bring the GOP to a win.

 

[Brett]

I doubt it you are way to naive. I DOUBT you have ever been out of Utah.

Appreciate it.

 

[Brett]

well this thread sure took a delightful turn.



AND I DIDN"T START THIS ONE!

No you didn't start this one. But, apparently since I have different opinions than others on this board, "I don't get it" and I'm "naive" and "have never been out of Utah."

Guess it just looks like I'm not allowed to disagree with anyone else here.