Rubicon's mostly manual?
- Thread starter NoTrax
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rondo
rondo
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- Boise Idaho
I have a 5speed in my YJ crawler and an auto in my frontier. I prefer the clutch for crawling because it feels like it has more control; on something steep and off camber it's easy to feather the clutch for precision.
Houndoc
Registered User
- Location
- Grantsville
What, that attitude, not on RME....never.......:-\
BCGPER
Starting Another Thread
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- Sunny Arizona
No, let's do the Ford VS Dodge one. There'd be about the same amount of usefull information in that thread.
BroncoMama
Rock Diva
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- Just south of craziness
First of all, I have NEVER viewed you as a stupid kid in a new Jeep. I'm sorry if I came across that way and I now realize how arrogant I sounded. I guess I should listen to my husband more when he tells me I'm being an arrogant jack ass. :-\ My comment towards Rubicons was more a general statement directed towards the people who buy a Rubicon to be the bad rock crawler and rely on that instead of driving skill and building a functional rig. I would run with you regardless of what you drive because you're a very good driver and dammit, you're fun!
As far as the stick versus auto argument goes, the Professor is absolutely right. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.
I just take offense to being told that the only reason I like my standard is because I haven't driven an auto. Especially when it's told by someone who isn't a rock crawler when I'm the one out beating my junk on a very regular basis. I should've known that arguing was pointless though, so I'll be shutting my pie hole now and continue down the happy road of wheeling the wee out of my sweetly abused 4 speed. 
Maverick
old-school
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- Anywhere, thanks to my geeky droid
Oh come now, this one actually had an interesting spin, plus a couple of subplots.
spencevans
Overlander
- Location
- Farmington
My truck is half Rubicon and I love working the clutch. I think I am able to get away with a manual trans because I have a diesel engine and it allows me to lug the engine in the rocks with out killing it. A diesel engine and a manual trans was a match made in heaven. To me shifting is all part of the experience.
burke
Registered User
- Location
- west jordan
We have an 07 2 door rubi six speed. I am very pleased with the drive train and think people need to talk about gearing when they talk about stick vs auto. I would never buy an underpowered rig with an auto.
I never considered myself a pretty boy but have probably been called worse. Personally I have enjoyed going to a vehicle that has no street cred, but wheels like a mother and can make built rigs look bad.
I never considered myself a pretty boy but have probably been called worse. Personally I have enjoyed going to a vehicle that has no street cred, but wheels like a mother and can make built rigs look bad.
- Location
- West Bountiful, UT
That's the only reason I got the six speed in my '06 Rubi. I do prefer an auto, both on and off road. But after test driving the auto in the Rubicon (LJ), and having it hunting gears just trying to go against a stiff headwind up the slight grade of southbound Bangerter at 3500 S., I just couldn't see myself living with that. So, I got the six speed. For what I do, and the underpowered 4.0, I think it has proven to be the better choice. When it eventually comes time to put a V8 in it, I'll put an auto in too though.
- DAA
Houndoc
Registered User
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- Grantsville
It is interesting to me that a rig w/ D44s, front and rear lockers and sway bar disconnect gets dissed by so many.
Other than coming that way stock instead of being 'built', why is that?
This is because certain people think they are elitist for the fact they bought a vehicle and built it. Spent the time and hours and money on it themselves. I guess they don't understand not everyone has the tools, garage or time to actually put it together. Those Certain individuals should have a sense of pride that they did build it, but then they let it bleed over into a " I am better than you because of x " You don't think that those people who spend 15k on a used Rubicon didn't work their asses off? or even spend 30k for a new one? You think that money came from a tree? not your 40-50 hour a week job?
I built what I have, its not much but I am to the point now where I will be paying for a portion of my work. Because I make more money now, I will build what I can build, pay for the rest.
I hate the attitude that just because a Rubicon was bought, that it cant be driven or modified to better assuage your needs. Very elitist snobby attitude.
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Kiel
Formerly WJ ZUK
My expirience has always been, people that built their rigs, can usually fix their rigs. Some people that buy there rigs right out of the showroom, get in too deep too fats and have a harder time. I used to drive a stick, the new one has an auto. The only way I think I would want a stick again is if the rig didin't have enough power for an automatic, or I had enough power to make shifting a stick fun again
Wait...so you'd want a stick if you had an underpowered rig, but if you had a lot of power you'd like a stick instead?
Personally, I prefer a transmission that works to one that doesn't.
Houndoc
Registered User
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- Grantsville
I agree with much of what NoTrax & WJ Zuk say.
Some who don't build their rigs (that will be me) lack the time, tools & know how to do so. However, although I may not be able to rebuild my vehicle, if your dog needs his spleen out, I'm your man.
However, as WJ Zuk said, that does put me at a disadvantage with a break down. No question there!
There is a fine line between justified pride in a job well done, espicially by your own hands, and better than thou attitude towards those who go a different route. Fortunately, I will say that most here have been great towards those of us newer into the sport and still learning.
I also agree that too much vehicle too soon can lead to trouble. You do not want a vehicle that is far more capable than you are. Building a step at a time or starting with less and buying later allows driver skills and rig capability to grow together.
Some who don't build their rigs (that will be me) lack the time, tools & know how to do so. However, although I may not be able to rebuild my vehicle, if your dog needs his spleen out, I'm your man.
However, as WJ Zuk said, that does put me at a disadvantage with a break down. No question there!
There is a fine line between justified pride in a job well done, espicially by your own hands, and better than thou attitude towards those who go a different route. Fortunately, I will say that most here have been great towards those of us newer into the sport and still learning.
I also agree that too much vehicle too soon can lead to trouble. You do not want a vehicle that is far more capable than you are. Building a step at a time or starting with less and buying later allows driver skills and rig capability to grow together.
BroncoMama
Rock Diva
- Location
- Just south of craziness
Here I said I was going to be quiet, but I can't hold my tongue on this one. My point about Rubicon's was a generalization about the attitude that I've run into with a lot of Rubicon owners. I realize that not everyone is blessed with a kick ass mechanic for a husband and that's fine. I don't think it's about the amount of money you spend, it's wheeling what you've got. What gets me is the "I drive a Rubicon, therefore I'm invincible" attitude. The best example I have of this is one time we were patiently waiting our turn at the entrance of Coyote Canyon and we were approached by an individual in a Rubicon on 35's. He asked if we and our group of 4 other buggies would mind scooting over so he could "run" up Coyote in his rig. Yeah right. Driving a Rubicon doesn't make you anymore of a wheeler than driving a 72 Ford Bronco that sits on 40 inch Iroks if you don't know how to drive. I was wrong in making a generalized statement, I wasn't trying to sound elitist, I was joking about my own awesomeness. I spend way too much time with Amy, I guess.
The good news here is that since you view me as a snobby elitist, I won't ever have to worry about you wanting to run with us. And Kiel makes a winning point!! How much good does a bought rig do you when you're broken on the trail and don't know your head from a socket?
Hence a lot of the basis behind my statement. We've encountered more people than not who went out and bought a "rock crawler" in the form of a Rubicon and immediately got in over their head. It always seems to be my luck that we get stuck behind them on Pritchett or Rusty Nail and they're too scared to even scoot over for us non-bought, ugly rigs to get by.
Kiel
Formerly WJ ZUK
Wait...so you'd want a stick if you had an underpowered rig, but if you had a lot of power you'd like a stick instead?
Personally, I prefer a transmission that works to one that doesn't.
I know it came out weird
Sticks just aren't fun anymore unless your dealing with a lot of power and it came that way so no extra work. But there is no way I would daily drive a 4 cylinder/ stick any more either. I drove a toyota for 4 years in stop and go traffic, I hated that clutch pedal then.
burke
Registered User
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- west jordan
Shifting gears here I have had built rigs and now a totally stock one( I think the JK was number 13). i guess it comes down to what you are in too, personally i value the idea of being able to drive to the trail and back. while i was fine driving a cj7 with a t-18 and 4.88s with 36s to moab, the wife not so much.
so this might be getting off the topic here so I will reiterate that I personally have no complaints with the 6speed and the 3.8 with the rubi's 4.10s. I think its a great combo with stockish tires.
I have had built rigs and now a totally stock one( I think the JK was number 13). i guess it comes down to what you are in too, personally i value the idea of being able to drive to the trail and back. while i was fine driving a cj7 with a t-18 and 4.88s with 36s to moab, the wife not so much. so this might be getting off the topic here so I will reiterate that I personally have no complaints with the 6speed and the 3.8 with the rubi's 4.10s. I think its a great combo with stockish tires.
burke
Registered User
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- west jordan
Here I said I was going to be quiet, but I can't hold my tongue on this one. My point about rubicon's was a generalization about the attitude that I've run into with a lot of Rubicon owners. I realize that not everyone is blessed with a kick ass mechanic for a husband and that's fine. I don't think it's about the amount of money you spend, it's wheeling what you've got. What gets me is the "I drive a Buggy, therefore I'm invincible" attitude.
I see that type of attitude in lots of people driving lots of different vehicles. Personally I am just offended by being grouped into the "pretty boy" business...oh wait this is the wife's daily driver and she's--pretty. never mind