- Location
- Sandy, Ut
scoutabout said:
Yes he is
Snakes 10/2
- Thread starter GOAT
- Start date
Yes he is
scoutabout
None
Excellent!
Now, it's time to step up for the rest of you non-members:
http://www.u4wda.org/join_us.shtml
Now, it's time to step up for the rest of you non-members:
http://www.u4wda.org/join_us.shtml
- Location
- Grantsville, Utah
Ugh...
waynehartwig
www.jeeperman.com
- Location
- Mead, WA
scoutabout said:
Definately! If you are a member, then you receive The Compass. I have an advertisement in there! I'm a business member, and my wife and I are personal members if I'm not mistaken...
The tour guid thing won't work, because we aren't the ones at fault typically and there is no way to get the word out to others using the trail to contact the official tour guide.
Boulders won't work either, people will move them out of the way...
The paint might work...or at least lessen the problem? Lot's of us are up there practically every weekend, if not more. So it would be nothing for ANYONE of us to keep markings up....
waynehartwig
www.jeeperman.com
- Location
- Mead, WA
In fact, I think my membership may be due soon, too...? I don't remember when I signed up! lol
waynehartwig
www.jeeperman.com
- Location
- Mead, WA
I personally think everyone should at LEAST be a member of some oganization that promotes treading lightly, period. It doesn't matter if it's U4WDA or whomever - with dues or even free. If you are out running trails, then it's your responsibility to know the rules of the land and be counted. Part of the reason things happen is because the other side has strength in numbers, and our side only has a few people fighting for it. Then the courts see a 100:1 ratio, and we lose access.
However, I think it's even more important that you are a part of an organization that is active in the politics behind keeping land open for all. Bottom line, just do something!
However, I think it's even more important that you are a part of an organization that is active in the politics behind keeping land open for all. Bottom line, just do something!
scoutabout
None
Yes, become a member of U4WDA or USA-ALL today!
http://www.u4wda.org/join_us.shtml
http://www.usaall.org/membership/Membership.ASP
http://www.u4wda.org/join_us.shtml
http://www.usaall.org/membership/Membership.ASP
Klif01
Do I bother you?
- Location
- Denver, CO
I remember when I took a "bypass" at the beginning of con, remember that muddy day?
How does the high road look now?
How does the high road look now?
This is too bad.
We need to make a decision. We need to decide as a community, as a club, as an association, what we will do to a) prevent this in the future and b) what do do when it happens. This kind of damage is unacceptable (to me at least). Legal or not, this trail was created as a hard core trail. Once it was "complete" no further lessening or modifying as to the difficulty should occur.
We need to decide. Do we leave it alone or fix this area of "damage"? The only thing that will work (IMHO) is pipe and cable guardrail, drilled into the rock. This kind of project is not above our ability.
Complaining make us feel better, but does nothing to solve the problem.
What should we do?
(besides build more trails
EZ
We need to make a decision. We need to decide as a community, as a club, as an association, what we will do to a) prevent this in the future and b) what do do when it happens. This kind of damage is unacceptable (to me at least). Legal or not, this trail was created as a hard core trail. Once it was "complete" no further lessening or modifying as to the difficulty should occur.
We need to decide. Do we leave it alone or fix this area of "damage"? The only thing that will work (IMHO) is pipe and cable guardrail, drilled into the rock. This kind of project is not above our ability.
Complaining make us feel better, but does nothing to solve the problem.
What should we do?
(besides build more trails
EZ
GOAT
Back from the beyond
- Location
- Roanoke, VA
So out of curosity. When was the last time you guys ran constrictor? weeks? months? From the looks of it I doubt the trail was "raped" over the course of a weekend. My friends and I have been out to 5mile and RS several times and never saw a soul (granted this was always on a sunday). We drove in circles trying to find trails. There are no markers, no maps, no organized trail runs just the occasional quad runner who has no idea what you are asking him about. I will join any group that promotes "tread lighty" wheeling and do whatever to help keep trails open but, speaking from a newbies perspective....there is not a lot of info available. And like scout mentioned, If you have not run the trail before and there are two lines, there is no way to tell any different.
the right line
the right line
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James K
NO, I'm always like this
- Location
- Taylorsville, Ut
look at pics in this thread, you can see what the nest used to be on page 2 or 3 ................http://www.rockymountainextreme.com/showthread.php?t=5344&highlight=constrictor
waynehartwig
www.jeeperman.com
- Location
- Mead, WA
GOAT said:So out of curosity. When was the last time you guys ran constrictor? weeks? months? From the looks of it I doubt the trail was "raped" over the course of a weekend. My friends and I have been out to 5mile and RS several times and never saw a soul (granted this was always on a sunday). We drove in circles trying to find trails. There are no markers, no maps, no organized trail runs just the occasional quad runner who has no idea what you are asking him about. I will join any group that promotes "tread lighty" wheeling and do whatever to help keep trails open but, speaking from a newbies perspective....there is not a lot of info available. And like scout mentioned, If you have not run the trail before and there are two lines, there is no way to tell any different.
the right line
You're right and wrong. There are sometimes that it will change in a day and sometimes not over a summer. The quick changes that I've seen are trees being run over or pulled out of the ground. From there it evolves into a well traveled bypass or alternate route.
Perfect example, almost at the end of RS there is a side jaunt up the hill and up a rather tall and very off camber water fall. The first time I ran that part of the trail was at the winter trail ride with the U4WDA. Last time I ran it, I saw several trees that had been up rooted, ran over, etc. Another part of the trail is at waynes world. Off to the left, goign up through the trees to avoid having to go all the way back down to the T to continue up CON when your POS can't make it up waynes world is not a trail and I've seen tire tracks and trees ran over there as well.
I actually enjoy RS and CON and there were times I've ran both trails 2 or 3 times a day just because as I'm leaving, someone else will pull in and I'll run it with them. There are even some days I will drive out alone and drive the trail back and forth waiting for someone to drive the trail with! (a little needy, I know..
)As for what to do to fix it? Cables and etc like you mentioned, dynamite to make the bypasses unpassable, or markings...Not really sure...Maybe some nice big spikes to pop tires!
I'm fairly new to the area. I've only been wheelin' in Utah now for just over a year. In that year I've seen the devistation, here and Moab (you've heard me ***** about Rusty Nail lately). I just can't imagine the people that have been wheeling this area for the past 5, 10, 30 years and the differences they have seen.
- Location
- Sandy, Ut
GOAT said:
Join the U4WDA!
This trail (as well as others) have and will be featured in our Compass Magazine.
waynehartwig
www.jeeperman.com
- Location
- Mead, WA
James K said:
MAJOR difference!!
scoutabout
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The trails can change quickly. As we saw in AF canyon this summer. A very pronounced bypass was cut in a matter of 2 weeks (check out the picture that's part of Todd's article in the recent Compass).
It's an easy out for us to say that it's the responsibility of the driver to know what's an illegal bypass and what's a secondary line on a trail. Without a documented reference, how could a new-to-Utah wheeler find out what's what?
Despite the fact that I'd rather leave things natural, I think EZ has made the best suggestion so far.
It's an easy out for us to say that it's the responsibility of the driver to know what's an illegal bypass and what's a secondary line on a trail. Without a documented reference, how could a new-to-Utah wheeler find out what's what?
Despite the fact that I'd rather leave things natural, I think EZ has made the best suggestion so far.
waynehartwig
www.jeeperman.com
- Location
- Mead, WA
scoutabout said:
With RS and CON the new driver could actually go to the website mentioned on the signs and ask.....
- Location
- Sandy, Ut
waynehartwig said:
Yup... alot of sweat and labor went into those signs... I hope they have had a bit of impact...
scoutabout
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Yes the signs are nice.
So, let's pretend I've never been out there. Here I am on RME asking what the legal lines are on RS and CON. Now explain to me what's illegal and what's legal.
I think it'd be hard to do via a bulletin board. Maybe a pictorial that points out the legal versus illegal lines? Similar to what BRC had in their recent magazine?
So, let's pretend I've never been out there. Here I am on RME asking what the legal lines are on RS and CON. Now explain to me what's illegal and what's legal.
I think it'd be hard to do via a bulletin board. Maybe a pictorial that points out the legal versus illegal lines? Similar to what BRC had in their recent magazine?
V-DAWG
someday
- Location
- Taylorsville
EZRhino said:
Forgive my ignorance, but if this area is not open access/ travel, who got the permit to build a trail in the first place?
If this trail was created as a hard core trail, then the rating should have been a little higher, and there should be stipulation on the sign saying no vehicle without front and rear lockers and 35" + tires allowed, and it should be enforced. On the difficult part of the trail, like the ones pictured, there should have been some type of "gate" specifying that travel is only allowed between the gates.
The sport is growing. The Wasatch Front's population is growing, and there is no where close for people to satisfy their wheeling desire. This might be a lame analogy, but look at skateboarding/ rollerblading in the 90's and before. Everyone wanted to make it illegal on the streets. Well, where the hell were they supposed to go? Now there are skateparks all over the Salt Lake Valley that are free for their use. Where are the wheelers supposed to go? They hear about these trails, so they head out there, and they are with a bunch of people who have no idea about the history of the trail, or where it is "officially" designed to be traveled, because they are so worn it looks like it could be any of the bypasses or the obstacle itself. Should they write down the website on the trail marker, then go back home and research it before traveling the trail as someone slightly suggested?
Keep in mind, not everyone is as hardcore as you, so some of those obstacles don't even look do-able to them. It is more logical to them to think the bypass is the correct route, and the obstacle is only being used by the ignorant buggy driver going off the trail. (Calm down buggy owners, I was joking)
My suggestion is to get some fence posts, drive them into the ground at every point there is a bypass that shouldn't have been used, and make a sign saying stay between the posts. If it is not an open travel area, let the Forest Service know of the plan, and ask their assistance in enforcing the restriction. Set up the fence posts on a weekday, and I will be there to help, since I am stuck working weekends. Plan the trail repair in advance, and I will request the time off to come and help.