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anderson750 said:
The impacts of fire risk are spreading into Utah. Insurance companies have identified places through the state that are at high risk for Grass fires. Rates have gone up for people in those areas and some companies have dropped fire coverage. A friend of mines son has a place in Park Ciity and got notice this past fall that his then insurance company would not cover him any longer due to risk of rangeland fires.
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A bunch of people in Eagle Mountain also received those notices. IIRC it was Allstate especially that dropped coverage because of the fire risk.
 
mbryson said:
I find no personal joy in Southern Cal and the elitist attitude of some from there (especially the "Hollywood" types) but those fires are pretty horrific.
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I've heard about the uninsurable areas for a few years now. (California, Florida, Louisiana, etc) In the case of CA, I can't help but wonder if there are some .gov policies that have been changed through the decades that contribute to the potential catastrophic devastation? The Paradise fire in Nor Cal a few years ago was BAD. This seems amazing. I'm curious to see a comparison (which I doubt we will). In the past, I've read that the area that these types of houses are built in are areas prone to this kind of fire. Not a big deal if there aren't 10,000+ homes/structures.

I then wonder if Utah/Wasatch Front/Back has similar issues? Being that our legislature seemingly worships many things the CA folks do, at least when it comes to real estate development, I suspect so. The Bountiful fire that destroyed 3 homes a few years ago (and that cute little MJ I sold that was in the garage of one of the homes) makes you wonder how this kind of issue would go here. We don't have the Santa Ana winds but we do get some winds at times.


Not my most trusted "news" source but interesting reading about the Santa Ana winds and such. The fact that this affects the elite will be interesting to gauge response by various organizations.
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I'm not going to lie. My first thought seeing that top map was "that's a good start". But then I thought I should be careful what I wish for. Most likely, it's just going to bring more of them here to recreate their ideal society. That's a lose lose. So I really hope they get some rain.

- DAA
 
DAA said:
I'm not going to lie. My first thought seeing that top map was "that's a good start". But then I thought I should be careful what I wish for. Most likely, it's just going to bring more of them here to recreate their ideal society. That's a lose lose. So I really hope they get some rain.

- DAA
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Burn Baby Burn was my exact reaction, then I had the same second thought you did. One good thing that will absolutely come of this is more criminal aliens will return to their countries.

Mouse said:
Looks like at least one person has been apprehended after being accused of arson. The picture showed a MAP torch.
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I read somewhere that the Hollywood elites were burning all the evidence before Trump takes office. It made me laugh as I put on the faraday hat.
 
We just returned from So-Cal (Disneyland trip) the day before. My son was playing with the hotel rooms TV remote and got the news channel to come on. They were warning of high wind warnings for the following day. At the time I was glad we were leaving that day, as the thought of high winds at Disney didn't sound enjoyable, but I was also thinking to myself I hope they don't have a fire with those kinds of winds. Little did I know that they would have just that.

I like most do not like California. I don't mind Disney, I had a great time, but I am not fond of So-Cal otherwise. I still think their lack of logging and the tree huggers have sparked this (no pun intended) that mixed with the high density living there was just a recipe for disaster. I hate that we are following in their footsteps and still have no infrastructure to support this growth. More reason I want to get out of here.

Regardless I hope the best for the good people in Cali.
 
It’s a bummer when houses burn down but I assume the people that choose to live there knew the risks. CA is a joke.

I am very intrigued to see if this has any impact on insurance cost nationwide. Ugh.
 
I have lots of friends and some family that are effected by this. Fortunately they are all physically okay. This is primarily all about massive incompetence of elected officials. Those officials are primarily concerned with DEI, and appearing 'Green'. The video I posted of Adam Carolla talking about the sheer idiocy of those policies and elected officials, is spot on. Instead of 'hiring' people solely because of which gender they are, or the kind of sex they have, or how they 'identify' themselves, hire people who are the best candidates for the important job they will hold. Period.

IF the best candidate for a job is a black lesbian tranvestite, who identifies as a 'furry', more power to them, just be competent to do the job you are entrusted to do. If the only reason you get the job is because you are a "black lesbian transvestite, who identifies as a 'furry' ", well as we see, that's a problem.

Your gender, your sexual proclivities, or whatever is irrelevant, as long as we're talking consenting adults. I'll vote for you IF YOU CAN DO THE JOB. Make sure the infrastructure is ready to handle a potential fire, before it becomes a disaster.

Everyone knows they can get strong winds in the area, yet they have power lines strung from old wooden poles looking like downtown Vietnam. A breeze picks up, and old wooden poles snap, there's a spark, and here comes another fire burning through overgrown foliage on the hills, which in the (distant) past when elected officials had common sense, was managed...

They've been taxed to supposedly take care of these issues, but the money doesn't go to taking care of the infrastructure...

I watched an interview with DEI hire LA Mayor Karen Bass. She is a MORON. Platitudes aren't going to cut it. When asked where citizens can get info on where to get help from their elected officials, she said, go to 'URL'. She isn't competent enough to know you need to follow that up with an actual address...

Or Anderson Cooper asking Newsom why there wasn't any water for the firemen to actually fight the fires, he stammers: "That's a local issue" abdicating his responsibility. If Anderson had any balls, or if he wasn't stunned by the stupidity of Newsom's answer, he would've said you're the Governor, this is all under your purview.

When a nearly hysterical resident asks Newson what he's doing, he tries to hurriedly get into an SUV before she gets too close, but then realizes he's on camera, and feigns being on a call to President Biden. The resident says let me talk to Biden, and Newsom backtracks and says, err, uhh, I'm trying to get a signal. Like it would matter if he was, Biden would just tell him he's a new grandpa, like he did at another press conference regarding these devastating fires...

No one is happy seeing this devastating destruction. I only hope that moving forward, the residents who voted for ideology over competence, reconsider their position.
 
I've get a fire behind my house about every 10 years, but I don't have to deal with trees and the additional vegetation they bring. The fires I deal with are all grass fire and if I can survive for a minute the fuel is burned out and fire is over. California is just a different environment, I'm not sure if the houses are just too close, defensive perimeters aren't a thing or it's just government not caring about building codes. If I was in an area I'd be looking at tile/metal roofs and concrete for housing just to reduce the danger. The wind is the biggest issue, the last fire I had they were saying the wind was going about 50mph and it got to my place about 2 hours after it started about 8 miles away. The fire went out when it hit my green grass but the heat melted my trampoline, killed trees on the other side of my house and curled the leaves on the neighbors trees across the street (about 150 feet from where it stopped).

Video from a camera I had set up (real time not sped up)
 
Herzog said:
Alright, let's do this.

You are stating that we should only trust the qualified opinions of experts in their field. At first glance, this seems like perfectly logical reasoning. Who wouldn't trust the experts? They're the ones that have spent a large chunk of their time and money into knowing all things about their field, right? Ok, that's great... but what happens when they betray that trust? Better yet, what happens when common sense can sniff out the bullshit?

Quick example. Traditional vaccines are based on a simple principle of (gasp) homeopathy. A small amount of something to illicit a reaction of the immune system in order to build anti-bodies. Amazing. One and done for life (for the most part, traditionally speaking)

Now we have this amazing mRNA technology that will cause your body to create spike proteins. Very cool! So it was extensively tested right? No? Ok that's pretty suspicious. Oh, you're going to try to madate it and protect the manufacture from any liability? That's pretty suspicious too... Oh, you're going to spread talking points across media to try to influence the community to turn on people to don't want to take this experiement? That's really ****ing suspicious. Oh, you're going to require people to have to come back and get constant 'boosters'? ... on and on an on.

So no, I don't need an 'expert' to tell me when the kitchen is on ****ing fire dude.
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Simple facts: Vaccines create an immune response to a potential pathogen. "Traditional" vaccines (not sure what they heck that even means since there have long been multiple types of vaccines- live, modified live, killed, attenuated etc.) and mRNA vaccines accomplish the same end goal, via different methods.
 
Houndoc said:
Simple facts: Vaccines create an immune response to a potential pathogen. "Traditional" vaccines (not sure what they heck that even means since there have long been multiple types of vaccines- live, modified live, killed, attenuated etc.) and mRNA vaccines accomplish the same end goal, via different methods.
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Thanks for expounding further. You've taught me nothing new here. Point still stands. They are certainly attempting to accomplish the same goal with a different method. One that is observably ineffective (except for share holders)
 
Spork said:
I've get a fire behind my house about every 10 years, but I don't have to deal with trees and the additional vegetation they bring. The fires I deal with are all grass fire and if I can survive for a minute the fuel is burned out and fire is over. California is just a different environment, I'm not sure if the houses are just too close, defensive perimeters aren't a thing or it's just government not caring about building codes. If I was in an area I'd be looking at tile/metal roofs and concrete for housing just to reduce the danger. The wind is the biggest issue, the last fire I had they were saying the wind was going about 50mph and it got to my place about 2 hours after it started about 8 miles away. The fire went out when it hit my green grass but the heat melted my trampoline, killed trees on the other side of my house and curled the leaves on the neighbors trees across the street (about 150 feet from where it stopped).

Video from a camera I had set up (real time not sped up)
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That's WAY too close for comfort, but great the grass stopped it.
 
Cody said:
But it's just an opinion. You're not an expert on mrna or vaccines....or beer. You're probably closer to being an expert about beer (mostly because beer is pretty simple to figure out).

Context is important and there is a deference between qualified and unqualified opinions. In my opinion, it's an important difference. Unfortunately that context is all too often missing from the internet.

I have opinions about how semi truck drivers should drive. Should Hickey listen to my advice, or take my opinions seriously, knowing I've never driven one in my life? Absolutely not.

If I give you my strong opinion about computer networking or anything IT related, would it mean anything to you? Absolutely not. I could read a bunch of books about it for the next 2 years and form some opinions about what works or doesn't, but you and I both would know that I still don't know shit because I've never done it.

So of course everyone is entitled to an opinion, and everyone else can decide whether that opinion is relevant based on what they know (or believe) about the source. But let's not confuse opinion with fact.
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First of all, I’m quite flattered to be referenced so often in RME threads today.

Second, I would listen to your advice on how to drive a semi truck, and I would employ that advice at least one time, because you have proved to the world that you can make great beer. This fact places you above the level of common sense that most truckdrivers I test these days have. I also completely expect that you would stop for an active flashing school crosswalk, unlike the dope I failed today (who got mad at me for failing him because he never even noticed the crosswalk or the flashing lights).
 
Herzog said:
Thanks for expounding further. You've taught me nothing new here. Point still stands. They are certainly attempting to accomplish the same goal with a different method. One that is observably ineffective (except for share holders)
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I disagree with the ineffective statement.

Vaccines in general vary greatly as to their level of effectiveness for a wide variety of reasons, including how the agent (bacteria or virus) acts in the body, variations in strains on the agent (big factor with influenza in people, lepto in animals) etc.

Ideally all would be 100% effective at preventing infection. Some come very close, such as rabies, small pox and polio in people, parvo and rabies in dogs. Rabies of course being dependent on when it is given. Post exposure it must be given before the virus has reach nerve tissue, after which point it drops from 100% effective to near 0%.

Others are helpful at decreasing severity of disease but do not stop the infection completely (Bordetella in dogs, influenza and COVID in people).

A vaccine that decreases likelihood of death is still effective, even if doesn't completely prevent illness.

Of course there are many other infectious diseases that we have yet to be able to develop effective vaccines despite decades of research (malaria, HIV, FIV to name but a few.)
 
Herzog said:
Alright, let's do this.
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Been meaning to go back to this because I appreciate the dialogue. Just been very busy
Herzog said:
You are stating that we should only trust the qualified opinions of experts in their field. At first glance, this seems like perfectly logical reasoning. Who wouldn't trust the experts? They're the ones that have spent a large chunk of their time and money into knowing all things about their field, right? Ok, that's great... but what happens when they betray that trust? Better yet, what happens when common sense can sniff out the bullshit?

Quick example. Traditional vaccines are based on a simple principle of (gasp) homeopathy. A small amount of something to illicit a reaction of the immune system in order to build anti-bodies. Amazing. One and done for life (for the most part, traditionally speaking)
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Except the ones that aren't one and done for life though, right? Like Tetanus for example.
Herzog said:
Now we have this amazing mRNA technology that will cause your body to create spike proteins. Very cool! So it was extensively tested right? No? Ok that's pretty suspicious.
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To me would be intentionally and/or deliberately not tested. I think in this situation, it was not tested because there hadn't yet been time to test. That doesn't mean it was suspicious, just absolutely not ideal.
Herzog said:
Oh, you're going to try to madate it and protect the manufacture from any liability? That's pretty suspicious too...
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I think protecting the manufacturer from liability is/was a slippery slope. Arguably suspicious, but I get your angle for sure. I also think massive class action lawsuits could probably get somewhere if there was widespread damage caused. I've had all the vaccines, and I've never had COVID (haven't been sick in 18 years, because I'm just better than all of you (it's my diet)) or any side effects from vaccines (that I can tell..maybe that's why all of my hair fell out in the last 3 years?). Obviously people have had some side effects and I'm sure the manufacturers are very careful to keep control of that narrative. But speaking 100% from my personal circle, I don't know anyone that has been harmed by the mrna vaccine, but I do know people that died from COVID and I have a close friend dealing with very severe side effects from COVID and it's impact on his heart and now liver. So for my personal sample size, I'd say the harmful effects of the vaccine were less than those of the disease itself.

But mandating it for the population was a decision based on our world's experience with prior vaccines on human and animal populations, and their increased efficacy as population use increases. In hindsight, that looks suspicious. But I think in the context of when the decision was made, we didn't know what we know now. We didn't know that the virus would continue to mutate into less severe strains.

Sure, someone is going to make money on it because we have relatively unregulated health care in a free enterprise economy. Rich crooks get richer. Someone will inevitably profit from other's misfortune and that's usually how the rich operate. We obviously can't be that up in arms about that concept since we just elected a rich crook who's trying to get richer. Having a fundamental issue with one set of rich crooks getting richer while deifying another just seems like hypocrisy.
Herzog said:
Oh, you're going to spread talking points across media to try to influence the community to turn on people to don't want to take this experiement?
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I mean, the government and medical field has been using human test dummies for vaccines for decades. Ask anyone who's been in the military. Those folks are pumped full of all sorts of shit that's not on the shelf. No, it's still not right, but it's true. The talking points were made by both sides of the media. It's not unique to one side or the other, they both are just regurgitating the force-fed narratives of their overlords or pushing the story that creates the most sensational reaction. People have never so intentionally divided and isolated themselves from alternative viewpoints than what we have today.
Herzog said:
That's really ****ing suspicious. Oh, you're going to require people to have to come back and get constant 'boosters'? ... on and on an on.
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Boosters exist in lots of other vaccines. Videlicet, the aforementioned Tetanus shot. I also think there is a pretty long standing tradition of getting yearly shots for the flu based on it's similar propensity to continuously mutate and change season to season and region to region.
Herzog said:
So no, I don't need an 'expert' to tell me when the kitchen is on ****ing fire dude.
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Obviously not all of it was handled well, but we can't exist in a hindsight powered vacuum either. Just like inflationary forces can't 100% be blamed on COVID lockdowns (a decade of super low interest rates created inflated property values/costs that we are all dealing with now. That wasn't a COVID thing on a macro level. maybe some places on a micro level). COVID's influence came from a combination of cost push and demand pull inflationary forces, and this holy trinity of inflationary shit had to be dealt with during a pandemic that had never been seen before in modern times, in a Nation that has never been more divided, and with an administration change in the middle that prevented either side from really doing anything that could stick.

So yes, this kitchen is and was absolutely ****ing on fire, dude. But I think context is important.
 
Cody said:
. We didn't know that the virus would continue to mutate into less severe strains.
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The common cold is a Corona virus. It is probably one of the most studied viruses……and quite possibly why it was being studied for gain of function. It is known to mutate very easily and therefore the reason there is no vaccine for the common cold. To say that we didn’t know it would continue to mutate is far from reasonable. Go back and read my comments from 3 years ago and you will see that pretty much everything I was saying based on my previous life in the medical and laboratory field was proven accurate.
 
Herzog said:
A parasite. Which can be treated by using sodium chloride, which is extremely cheap and hilariously demonized even though it's used to purify water all over the world.

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The claim of that video is that a mosquito spread, blood borne infection that has been killing millions of people worldwide (current estimates are about 600,000 deaths per year) for centuries is cured in 24 hours by drinking a glass of salt water (sodium chloride is table salt).

Would obviously be fantastic if it was proven true, but considering the volumes of sodium and chloride already in our bodies, drinking a glass of salt water is in no way going to affect the levels enough to have any effect. In fact, one major job of the kidneys is to keep electrolyte levels (sodium, chloride, potassium and others) within a very narrow range in the blood.

IV fluids with sodium chloride is also a standard part of treatment for severe malaria (treating dehydration and correcting electrolyte imbalances) and will have a far greater impact in levels in the blood than oral ever will. If the video's theory held true, those patients should see a near immediate response and death in hospitalized patients shouldn't happen. Sadly not the case.

I also do not know the origin of your claims that salt is "demonized" (beyond the fact that excessive salt intake has negative impacts on kidneys and blood pressure) or that salt is used "all over the world" to purify water.

With my involvement in humanitarian projects in malaria prone countries- including Uganda where the video claims to be done, I am all for any cost effective control methods. We have investigated projects including planting of lemon grass near homes as method of control. Window and door screens and mosquito nets over beds are effective so long and used and maintained properly. Unfortunately not easily done in the worlds poorest regions (again, including Uganda where I have met with people in their mud huts without electricity, plumbing or water.)

Historically carefully applied DDT around doors and windows of homes was very effective and could be done safely, but unfortunately other uses of the chemical had such severe environmental impacts to result in it being banned.

But the science behind that video is basically non-existent.
 
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