i'm in need of one too i looked at the HF ones and i was doubtful, some of their stuff is good, like my grinder or my uncles metal chop saw, he has used it heavly for many years with no complaint, same as his cement mixer, so it's not all bad, just have to take a gamble, if you do only light duty stuff the HF one will most likly be okay but if your doing constant work on heavy duty stuff i would Check out M&M tools, i know that my dad has got lots of his woodworking stuff there and they are good for prices, or check machine shops around the valley sometimes they are retiring old equipment that is fine but they got newer stuff, could find a deal never know