Hummer brand dead March 31

[jeep-N-montero]

I drove Humvees for 8 years. I disagree.

Do you wheel with Hummers much?

I also disagree with the Jeeps on 31's or 33's statement.

My truck has walked right up and over obstacles that had H1's hung up on several occasions.

I've seen lifted Wranglers with 35's roll over on Moab Rim's Z-turn on the same line I just walked up.

I've winched a few Jeeps.

All individual perspective here....... and I will acknowledge that I invited it.

Lot's of judgments getting thrown......... How do people respond when others make assumptions about them?

Do you think you can follow me with my little ole 33's, wanna try? I said 31's or 33's because some setups on 35's and short wheelbase vehicles do tend to roll easier. I will never go higher than where I'm at right now but will still go where most Jeeps on 35's tend to play. A 106.5in wheelbase plays a big role in stability and helps in some traction situations where a SWB vehicle might have issues. I actually might be closer to 108in with the new arms, but that's minor.

 

[jeep-N-montero]

Yeah I've never heard that Tahoe bit before....... are you sure?

Indeed, I actually worked for Chevrolet when the H2 came out, but here are a few helpful links in case you are unfamiliar with your own vehicle

http://www.askmen.com/top_10/cars_60/78_car_list.html

quite funny one http://www.fuh2.com/

http://www.sodahead.com/question/24...-h2-the-ultimate-poser-vehicle/?link=samf_rdt

some decent testing info http://www.fourwheeler.com/roadtest...eeler_of_the_year/hummer_h2_second_place.html

some good facts http://wikicars.org/en/Hummer_H2

that should be enough, you get the point.

 

[Chevycrew]

Im curious as what the hummer (h2) can do better than its general motors counterpart?

I just dont understand what sets the new line of hummers apart from the normal gm suv's.

 

[RuggedH2]

What did you do for Chevy?

Because you quoted...... ask men

Then you posted the Sierra Club's personal hate site FUH2?

Black ZJ if it wasn't funny it would be insulting. I contribute to U4WDA, Blue ribbon, USA-ALL and a couple others.

I have sent in pictures of my own rig 3 times. If those clowns hate my truck this much......... It makes me happy.

I got the point long before your links and yes I think I can follow you.

I realize that the H2 makes haters among 4x4 drivers. I haven't insulted anyone else's rig here but have "listened" to plenty of misinformed BS. Most of it media driven.

I still haven't heard a legitimate reason to hate on another guys rig.

Jealous Much?

 

[phatfoto]

Its not that I hate the H2/H3s. I tend to have a strong dislike for some of the owners of these things that feel they are better than anyone/everything else out there. Some of the owners do more to turn people off than the vehicles themselves.

I'm reminded of the classic youtube video of an H2 in a dry creekbed that broke the steering. Probably a bad driver. Maybe a design flaw? The H2 is as iconic in some ways as the H1, but from the standpoint of indignant, wretched excess. I just can't believe some of the crap H2 owners pile on their trucks. GM did indeed make the Tahoe better with the H2, and no doubt they were built to wheel. But so few of them are used in that way, and dolled up with geegaws (does every marker light and taillight have to say H2 in chrome to make you feel better?), that they look more at home in the mall parking lot than on the trails. Probably, a lot of folks are turned off because of the sheer size of the thing (for me its the price tag more than anything). The H2 truck I like, even if its bed is even smaller than my F150 Supercrew. The H3 (Trailblazer based) with its 5 banger was a step in the right direction. Smaller and more nimble, but underpowerd. The H3T with the available V8 isn't so bad, but it looks longer than it really is. Proportions.

And to be fair... Owners of other vehicles out there pile lots of unneeded crap on their cars and trucks. IFS is on more trucks and SUVs than ever and isn't going away, sorry live axle guys. Fact of life. Last years KOH winner used a rig with IFS and IRS this year. Walker Evans had a IFS rock crawler in comps a few years ago. And good luck finding a live front axle in desert racing, that isn't stock based...

Its all about how you use the tool, not being the tool...

 

[RuggedH2]

I appreciate your perspective phatfoto......

My rig draws attention........ some of that attention is obviously negative...... actually more often among 4x4 guys than in the general public. At least in Utah most people seem to give me positive comments in real life. I only hear the crap on the internet.

What I always find funny is people insulting my truck and then tell me that they dislike the owners.

I hear that one on the internet all the time too....... generally right after they tell me all that they hate about my truck.

It is what it is. I'm still sorry to see Hummer go. I do have experience with this truck and it is the very best vehicle I have ever owned.

 

[Caleb]

I never have understood why Jeepers hate Hummers.

I do understand why the greenies hate them...... I think it's misguided..... but I get it.

Jeepers though...... I don't get it.

It's not like there aren't enough Jeeps out there already and they sure as hell are not all bad-ass.

I never said anything about hating Hummers, then again, I don't consider anything beyond the H1 a Hummer. Anything beyond the H1 are ugly GM boxes. I could give a rats ass about their size, their gas mileage , or their capability. They are just plain ugly. The H1 is an icon in the offroad world, the H2, H3, etc are just trying to appeal to soccer moms.

 

[WayneXJ]

I just think H2's look gay. Just like a Pontiac Aztek or a Honda Element look gay.

 

[Rot Box]

As far as looks go everyone has their own ideas on what looks good in vehicle, and that's okay

As far as a capable 4x4 goes, a stock H2 doesn't stand a chance against almost anything with a 2 speed T-case imo. Given their design of the tie rod ends (have you seen what's going on there?!?) I don't see how people dare drive them on a trail--or even think about lifting them for that matter. The shear size of them, and the visability looking through the rear windows is a huge limiting factor also.

I guess I should have specified when I said I hate them. I hate stock ones and I hate what 98% of people do to "modify" them. That being said I would never give anyone a hard time for wanting to modify any 4x4 vehicle, and would love to see one with the right equiptment on the trail.

 

[ID Bronco]

I hate to see them go too, not becuase I want one, but because it brought a lot of people over to accept and actually like bigger 4x4's. I don't see how they differ from a new fj. They are big, visibility sucks and mileage isn't great. I have seen two that I thought were way cool, but I have also seen Non H1 hummer that looked great. Chrome stuff should be south of the border, but I like a lot of the h2 and h3's I see. Not for crawling, but my wife would like them over our suburban.

 

[The Stranger]

I agree with phatfoto. Most of the people that drive Hummers look like super douchy pricks that would never risk scratching their trucks. Although I can say the same for most of the Jeep drivers I see on a daily basis. Mr Rugged looks like he has one of the better set up H2's and he actually takes it out. I think that is bad ass. This clearly separates him from the majority of the Hummer owners who have done nothing the help their image in the real 4x4 community. I have never seen one on the trail but I would actually like to see his out there. I think it would surprise most.

Am I upset that the Hummer brand is going away? Well a vehicle like that is not really my cup of tea. Too big and too expensive. I'd never buy one. I'm also not much of a fan of GM (with the Zo6 and ZR1 being an exception ) so I would have to say I don't care much.

I would love to see the black_ZJ/RuggedH2 showdown!!

 

[Seven]

I wouldn't say I dislike Hummers, However most of the owners of hummers I have met left a bad taste in my mouth. I think that is great that you actually use yours for it's intended purpose and hope to see you out on the trails. The sad truth(in my opinion) is that 90% of hummers and their owners have never took it offroad. However they feel that since they own a hummer they could tackle any offroad obstacle. Most of them talk the talk, however most do not walk the walk. I just have a hard time with people buying a vehicle for the image and expect everyone to instantly accept them as a person who knows how to drive offroad. The stigma that you can buy offroad capability, when in my opinion offroad capability is usually more driver than vehicle. That being said I would love to wheel with someone driving a Hummer. I really cannot comment on their offroad capabilities because I just have never really seen one offroad.

 

[Devel]

I really cannot comment on their offroad capabilities because I just have never really seen one offroad.

 

[Cody]

You asked for the reasons why we hate them, we gave them, and you don't like them. I respect your right to like an H2, but you have to respect my right to hate them.

They are gigantic, heavy, wide, and impractical for 90% of what people use them for. The vast majority of people that drive them are only doing so out of vanity. They are the perfect mechanical representation of American pecuniary emulation. They represent the worst of America in my eyes; glut, greed, and drive for impractical excess--which are some of the root causes for our economic meltdown. No, I'm not blaming society's ills on Hummer, but the H2 represents to most people the drive for needless excess and extravagence that is in part responsible for greedy over spending.

I'm a grand cherokee guy, so I get the idea of driving something different and making it work. But no matter how you flip it, the H2 is not a capable vehicle compared to other SUV's out there. You could make a school bus into a wheeler if you wanted to, and I'm sure you'll find a situation where it worked better than something more traditional, but that doesn't mean it's just as suitable of a platform does it? I can take my ZJ on 35's through pritchett, green day, minor threat etc etc with narry a problem, but I just don't see a big H2 being able to do so. Maybe I'm wrong and I'm not giving them enough credit?

for the record, I actually like H3's, and think an H3 alpha would make a kick ass expedition vehicle. Small lift, 33's etc etc.

 

[BlackDog]

All this talk about ALpha's made me google it.

An H1 alpha would be bad ass...

However I tend to agree with cody that an H3 alpha would be a great expedition vehicle.

300+hp and Metro mileage, the H3 Alpha would be GREAT expedition vehicle, and shows stereotypes and the media can make or break an idea or a brand, (a certain campaign comes to mind)

With this cailbre of mileage, why would GM have to kill the Marque?

"The range-topping H3 Alpha is powered by a 5.3-liter V8 engine delivering 300 horsepower at 5200 rpm and 320 pound-feet of torque at 4000 rpm. A four-speed automatic is the only gearbox offered. The H3x package can be combined with the H3 Alpha. The powerful V8 engine allows the Alpha to hit 60 mpg in under eight seconds."

I freaking love typo's, that other people who have people to weed them out make...

Linky:
http://www.leftlanenews.com/hummer-h3.html

 

[Zombie]

It's a drag to see this. I'd love an H1 Alpha for a tow rig, I'd take an H2, and I test drove an H3 and thought seriously about it last year.
It's sad also to see all the hate. Hate the vehicle... you have no idea what the owner does with it, just like every suburban and cummins ram you see in a mall parking lot, you don't know what they do. I think Rugged's H2 and H3 probably show some battle scars, but hauling around four kids and a wife with a boat on the back isn't going to leave a scratch.
It's sad to see GM having been unionized and irresponsibly managed to the point of near collapse.
I will miss the hummer brand, and Rugged, I'd love to wheel my jeep on 33"s with you, anytime.
These were some neat vehicles with some neat features that fit some people needs and wants to a tee... I'm sad to see them go.

 

[cruiseroutfit]

...I don't see how they differ from a new fj....

Really? Ignorance is bliss. If you don't see, you haven't looked

The FJ Cruiser has a full frame, A-Trac and electric locker options, dozens of aftermarket suspension, bumper, slider, internal roll cage and engine upgrade options including superchargers and turbo systems. I'd hardly call the two even a shotty comparison.

 

[cruiseroutfit]

..The sad truth(in my opinion) is that 90% of hummers and their owners have never took it offroad...

And the sad reality is that 90% of 4x4 vehicles in general have never taken them offroad, be it Jeep, Hummer, Toyota, GWagen, you name it. So sure a Jeep might be more likely to get used off road, but comparing 8% of the owners to 5% of the owners is pretty weak

 

[solidfrontaxle]

I hate hummers for most of the reasons listed. That said, some people like them and its sad that they no longer have the option to get them and enjoy what they are passionate about. Their choices don't really affect me at all, so my feelings don't go beyond anything other than a personal preference.
But GM is probably making a smart move. In times like these, that would be the first thing people wouldnt buy. So it only makes sense.

 

[scootrrydr]

Good reads. Entertaining. Pure entertaining!