dieslcruisrhead
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Agreed... But basically we/they trusted Bush. He was relatively new in office and at the time it was the right thing to do. Even the media mostly went for it unfortunately...
Lack of Patriotism
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Bucking Bronco
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the whole point I am trying to make is I dont want this country to end up like all the others
dieslcruisrhead
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I think we all agree on that this too... But the Dem's arguement is the companies that made some of these same decisions too (AIG has their own f-ing golf course for example, they were about to take a 100-top-execs hunting trip to Scotland for christs-sake - after the bauilout!) has now received about $175BILLION dollars. That is more than the Iraq war for an entire year. Even worse is they had the data. Each of these companies has a department called Risk Analysis (a good friend is a VP for Risk Analysis for Citigroup). After each of these transactions Risk Anaysis issues a report on how risky the investment was. In some cases the investors would cook the books or they flat out ignored it. Hyped up by the weak legs the economy has had since 9-11 (the goal of hitting the "World Trade Center" was to effect exactly that). So anyway, while Main Street is failing, most of these guys are making millions and millions. "Golden Parachutes..." AIG keeps its golf course, but you and your kids can't keep your house. And finally these people are much more likely to immediately inject that cash right back into the economy. Groceries, Gas, Christmas Presents, whatever...
It's fair and makes sense in my opinion...
It's fair and makes sense in my opinion...
Ya they voted for the war before they voted against the war
J/K
There were a lot of mistakes made but I don’t feel our most pressing problems in this country is the war I think it is our values and the apparent lack of self responsibility and our willingness to want to bail everyone out.
It is the fast food companies making me fat
The mortgage company forced me to buy that 500K house instead of the 200K
The car companies made me buy brand new cars every year
I can’t afford health care but I drive 2 brand new vehicles live in a 5000 SQ Ft house
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So are you saying that only Bush had access to the privy CIA intelligence on WMD? That the longtime Senators and Reps sitting on their respective intelligence committees didn't have access to that same information. Sure Bush packaged and presented it, but they had the same bad info. Your right he was new but there were 9 Dems and 8 Rep's on the Senate Committee on Intelligence that were not
Names like Graham, Finestein, and even our local boy Hatch. scoutabout
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Yeah, it actually is. Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, and many more.
Actually, I hate France because they tried to block any action (even after 14 UN resolutions were ignored) because they were illegally trading with Iraq and had plans to develop Iraq's oil fields as soon as sanctions were lifted.
There's a lot of other resources out there besides Daily Kos and the Huffington Post. How many more years will Bush get the blame for everything?
Cherokeester
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Don't forget that France sold Iraq their first nuclear power plant that Israel blew up the first chance they got.
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As they should have.....
GOAT
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divide and conquer..........
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and then don't forget that israel sold the chinese targeting systems for their missles afterwards........
Bucking Bronco
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Dont forget we designed all of it
GOAT
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cold hard truth right there
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See? AMERICA FTW
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I don't really hate France. I don't think enough about France to form an opinion.
Whoa, I never heard that before. Can you point to some sources for more info?
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Whoa, crazy. That's not so good.
solidfrontaxle
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I personally don't see it as a diss on the the US. There is a difference between saying something sucks and something needs to be fixed. I think its way more patriotic to state our views and try to fix whats wrong with our country than it is to rally blindly around a flag that is losing its meaning.
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Well, I went ahead and changed it. The argument has been made, and opinions voiced.
I doubt my current one will arouse the same knee-jerk reaction, which says much.
That said, I'm not out to just piss people off, and I don't have any issues with anyone who didn't like it. And as we're not at a point where I need to ramrod the point down anyone's throat just yet, and in the interest of respect, my flag will wait in the folder.
I doubt my current one will arouse the same knee-jerk reaction, which says much.
That said, I'm not out to just piss people off, and I don't have any issues with anyone who didn't like it. And as we're not at a point where I need to ramrod the point down anyone's throat just yet, and in the interest of respect, my flag will wait in the folder.
Cherokeester
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The flag will never lose it's meaning for me either. I hope this country doesn't stop living up to it, either.