let's talk about 4-links

S

sukaB

Guest
xj_punk said:
you run them on the ol' black wolf? how much do they cost? i am not even near needing them yet so don't get excited and start making them.. i just wanted to get an idea.

-nate


Yah I run them on the Black Wolf..
I have different styles, shapes, sizes, and thicknesses..
High quality only for low--low price.
Call me when your ready or PM me..
 

N-Smooth

Smooth Gang Founding Member
Location
UT
sukaB said:
Yah I run them on the Black Wolf..
I have different styles, shapes, sizes, and thicknesses..
High quality only for low--low price.
Call me when your ready or PM me..

High quality for LOW, LOW price, come on down and see what we can do for you here at Anarchy Offroad in Sandy!
:D :rofl: :ugh:

hehe i love it when you advertise B. seriously though i will be talking to you when i get to this project, which is hopefully soon. question is do i want to jump into all of this before ejs. i still have some cage work i am going to do also.

what do you think, coils or coilovers? btw i can't afford coilovers. when it comes to coils, how do i decide what height and rate i want? just play around with the coils i have (stock xj and tj)? and should i use xj or tj fronts or some fatty tj rears? man coils are too complicated :rolleyes:
 
S

sukaB

Guest
I just think it's funny when people get overcharged and screwed over yet constantly complain while they know about it-yet do it again and again..
Why U think I sell so much...
It's not beacuse my buggie's or customers jeeps leave here or go to comps and fall apart!!!

I would choose coilovers cause they make more sense of course--ease, tons of options and setup's!
But coils are way cheaper just more work and less adjusting features..
Why Build mounts and setup for shock, coils, keepers, bumpstops bla bla :eek:
Or coilover with two bolts and tabs! :p

I have tons of used coils over here and well steer you the right way if you come over and get dirty while we are working we'll talk! :D
 

Hickey

Burn-barrel enthusiast
Supporting Member
xj_punk said:
you must have AS...
AS acts differently on a 4 wheel drive than a two wheel drive. Don't get too caught up in the technical words and mumbo jumbo. There is no "perfect 4-link" there are tons of different types that work just fine, however.
 

N-Smooth

Smooth Gang Founding Member
Location
UT
okay so about triangulation. should the uppers and lowers have the same angle? i know that the more triangulation they have the less flex steer there is, so would it make sense for them to be the same angles? just a weird question that popped into my head all of a sudden.

-nate
 

Milner

formerly "rckcrlr"
xj_punk said:
okay so about triangulation. should the uppers and lowers have the same angle? i know that the more triangulation they have the less flex steer there is, so would it make sense for them to be the same angles? just a weird question that popped into my head all of a sudden.

-nate

Again personal preferance. Uppers more angle than lowers=roll steer,
Lowers more angle=roll anti-steer.

I angled my lowers slightly more to produce a slight amount of anti-steer...Theory is that on a side hill the forces will conteract each other and try to level the vehicle, or at least not steer into the downhill side....or not suck you into a hole you are trying to get out of.

Only had a few trails on it so far, but it is more stable than it has ever been.

Marc
 

Milner

formerly "rckcrlr"
troutbum said:
Hickey said:
AS acts differently on a 4 wheel drive than a two wheel drive. QUOTE]

More please?? :D Specifically, what do you mean?

Depending on the geo of the frt axle, and the amount of toque being applied, the frt can conteract or exagerate what the back is doing....Gets conplicated though...torque to the frt is applied in the opposite direct...links behind the direction of motion....
 

troutbum

cubi-kill
Location
SLC
100% anti-squat means that the axle will not move up or down during acceleration and 0% means that the rear end will squat down because there is no raising force from the rear suspension

Kind of...
IMO AS gets blown out of proportion.
just make sure your IC is within 25% of your static COG, and you should be fine.

75-100% will provide better handling, but provide less traction, 100-125% will provide better traction and worse handling.

For our purposes it would be tough to get a lot of squat, so just keep anti-squat in check and build the S.O.B
 

troutbum

cubi-kill
Location
SLC
rckcrlr said:
Depending on the geo of the frt axle, and the amount of toque being applied, the frt can conteract or exagerate what the back is doing....Gets conplicated though...torque to the frt is applied in the opposite direct...links behind the direction of motion....

True, but AS acts the same, there are just more force vectors to contend with.
 
Last edited:

Hickey

Burn-barrel enthusiast
Supporting Member
rckcrlr said:
Depending on the geo of the frt axle, and the amount of toque being applied, the frt can conteract or exagerate what the back is doing....Gets conplicated though...torque to the frt is applied in the opposite direct...links behind the direction of motion....
What he said. Theory is one thing, but it isn't the end all, be all of a suspension.
 

SAMI

Formerly Beardy McGee
Location
SLC, UT
what does Sway-Away mean...when talking about coil overs, obviously....i'm just curious....

i think that's what i wanna go with after the mission....big plans, big plans... :D
 
S

sukaB

Guest
SAMI said:
that makes sense.... :rolleyes: ....i always wondered what the sway-away feature was...i'm thinkin, what the crap would they need to sway away for? :confused:

:rofl:

Sway away== and means one thing=Over priced!
 

robrocketanski

Registered User
how different do you think i need to have mine to deal w/ all-terrain? there are no rocks here :(

it sounds like alot of this discussion is geared toward very specific circumstances. (holes and off camber) i was thinking of going by that 4wheel and off road article as an all around kind of set up. seems like you can't be that far off going by the book, if you don't know what you are doing that is :eek:
 

Hickey

Burn-barrel enthusiast
Supporting Member
robrocketanski said:
how different do you think i need to have mine to deal w/ all-terrain? there are no rocks here :(

it sounds like alot of this discussion is geared toward very specific circumstances. (holes and off camber) i was thinking of going by that 4wheel and off road article as an all around kind of set up. seems like you can't be that far off going by the book, if you don't know what you are doing that is :eek:
A decent four link will perform well in any terrain. Just because you see alot of people using 4-links on rock rigs, doesn't mean they won't work excellent in other types of wheelin. They are used in hot rods, Desert racers, dragsters... you name it.
 
Top