sixstringsteve
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Kurt, does May 6-7 work for you?
planning noob run part 2
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I think this is awesome..
I am however a bit worried that a revolving class room style with several learning locations with 15-30min presentations is a disaster waiting to happen. Some deserve more time than others, IMO. Furthermore, you will undoubtedly have people asking questions, and telling of experiences which lead to more questions. 30 minutes could turn into 60; but even if it turns into 40min the whole rotation is messed up.
I do not know what the best solution would be, but in my mind having a few large canopies set up where folks can sit on their camp chairs with a cold beverage in the shade seems more logical. Most of the discussions can take place at that spot covering 2hrs or so with several people giving instruction? Then move a short distance to where a few live demonstrations of proper trail etiquette, driving, spotting, recovery, etc can be witnessed and discussed. So basically you could have 2-3hrs of classroom discussions, then break for lunch and move to the live demonstrations in the field for an hour or two.. Then disperse. Location A) classroom discussions; Location B) Field demonstrations. Keep It Simple Stupid.
Thoughts?
I am however a bit worried that a revolving class room style with several learning locations with 15-30min presentations is a disaster waiting to happen. Some deserve more time than others, IMO. Furthermore, you will undoubtedly have people asking questions, and telling of experiences which lead to more questions. 30 minutes could turn into 60; but even if it turns into 40min the whole rotation is messed up.
I do not know what the best solution would be, but in my mind having a few large canopies set up where folks can sit on their camp chairs with a cold beverage in the shade seems more logical. Most of the discussions can take place at that spot covering 2hrs or so with several people giving instruction? Then move a short distance to where a few live demonstrations of proper trail etiquette, driving, spotting, recovery, etc can be witnessed and discussed. So basically you could have 2-3hrs of classroom discussions, then break for lunch and move to the live demonstrations in the field for an hour or two.. Then disperse. Location A) classroom discussions; Location B) Field demonstrations. Keep It Simple Stupid.
Thoughts?
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05Unlimited
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This would be AWESOME for me as I have only been wheeling once and would like to learn more about it so I don't kill myself out on the trail!
05Unlimited is my 16 year old (this thursday). Count me, him and his 18 year old brother in!
sixstringsteve
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I think this is awesome..
I am however a bit worried that a revolving class room style with several learning locations with 15-30min presentations is a disaster waiting to happen. Some deserve more time than others, IMO. Furthermore, you will undoubtedly have people asking questions, and telling of experiences which lead to more questions. 30 minutes could turn into 60; but even if it turns into 40min the whole rotation is messed up.
I do not know what the best solution would be, but in my mind having a few large canopies set up where folks can sit on their camp chairs with a cold beverage in the shade seems more logical. Most of the discussions can take place at that spot covering 2hrs or so with several people giving instruction? Then move a short distance to where a few live demonstrations of proper trail etiquette, driving, spotting, recovery, etc can be witnessed and discussed. So basically you could have 2-3hrs of classroom discussions, then break for lunch and move to the live demonstrations in the field for an hour or two.. Then disperse. Location A) classroom discussions; Location B) Field demonstrations. Keep It Simple Stupid.
Thoughts?
That's a really good point. As I think about it, the rotations is definitely going to be a handful, and stressful, and a mess. I hadn't thought about it this way. Are you suggesting everyone go to the same class at the same time, or they come and drop in whenever they feel like it?
sixstringsteve
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I wonder if we could just have stations, and people could show up to them as they pleased. that way, if you already know about cb's, but don't want to have to sit through a 30 min discussion of it, you can skip it and go over to the recovery station. Just a thought. This is some great dialogue though.
Oh, and for the noobs posting in, we'll do an official "upcoming wheeling trip" thread once we get all the details down. This thread is a bit of a mess already, and it's only going to get worse
Oh, and for the noobs posting in, we'll do an official "upcoming wheeling trip" thread once we get all the details down. This thread is a bit of a mess already, and it's only going to get worse
TJDukit
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I think a lot of how it will pan out will depend on how many people actually show up. If it's as big as the last one it could get complicated but still doable.
It's going to need to be a solid plan but we'll need to work some flexibility into the schedule and layout.
I think the biggest things should be Land Use, driver and passenger safety and spotter and spectator safety. Once those horses beaten to death I think it will be much more comfortable getting out with the new guys.
It's going to need to be a solid plan but we'll need to work some flexibility into the schedule and layout.
I think the biggest things should be Land Use, driver and passenger safety and spotter and spectator safety. Once those horses beaten to death I think it will be much more comfortable getting out with the new guys.
TJDukit
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Oh, and for the noobs posting in, we'll do an official "upcoming wheeling trip" thread once we get all the details down. This thread is a bit of a mess already, and it's only going to get worse
Yeah so unless you are prepared for the impending head explosion beware. By the time the week is through I'm sure it will reach at least 200 posts.
TkMeHomePlease
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- Logan, UT
Things just got complicated. Lol I think as long as its still labeled
And being taught that its fun then people will come .
And being taught that its fun then people will come .
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Are you not on my email list?
Unfortunately not, I'll be leading a group of folks from all over North America through the best of the San Rafael Swell. I'm booked until mid-June
Sounds good to me.
sixstringsteve
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I think we should plan on 30% of the time for instruction, and 70% for wheeling. If it's too instruction-heavy then we won't get many people out there. The nice part is that a lot of the instruction can happen at night when we're just sitting around the campfire anyway.
I'm thinking 2 hours tops of training in the daytime. Most people just want to wheel. Plus that keeps it simple.
I'm thinking 2 hours tops of training in the daytime. Most people just want to wheel. Plus that keeps it simple.
sixstringsteve
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Too bad you won't be there Kurt. May 6-7th is the official date.
Looks like we'll need some people who can talk about land use since Kurt won't be able to do it this time around.
Looks like we'll need some people who can talk about land use since Kurt won't be able to do it this time around.
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I'm thinking we have a different mission in mind as I think with the right presentation you would have no problem holding the audience attention for even a full day. The Tread Lightly Awareness class takes an hour alone. A 6 year old can make it through 7 hours of listening, I'd like to think some adults could bear with 4-5 hours of thoughtful and engaging hands on instruction.
Most people don't want to get involved with Land Use either, I don't spoon feed apathy.
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lol no prob, I'll move forward in a different direction.
sixstringsteve
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I definitely want to plan one where you can share your knowledge Kurt. We'll have to plan another one after mid-June when you can attend.
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Its not my knowledge that you need to hear, its the collective knowledge of many within the industry that would likely be interested in helping out with enough lead time and heads up. Ie professional land use people, radio specialists... not just a forum member with a CB
Its become apparent we are envisioning two totally different events, each obviously attracting a different user and both for the greater good... I'll leave it at that. :greg:
sixstringsteve
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sounds good. I guess I'm just trying to ease into it. I don't think I could organize something much bigger. But I'll definitely attend your event, I want to learn all about that stuff.
I have to agree with Kurt here. I see a class that folks can spend time soaking in new concepts in a classroom type atmosphere. Several hours would be needed for this; heck, the Wasatch Cruisers recovery night went for an easy two hours and the surface was nearly scratched. Add to that other quality discussion points such as, Tread Lightly instruction, trail/back country first aid, communications, prep and packing for backcountry adventure, driving tips, spotting techniques, map and gps reading, etc.
Bringing in local off-road vendors and local land managers as the trainers would have greater weight than just anyone teaching these types of principles.
Bringing in local off-road vendors and local land managers as the trainers would have greater weight than just anyone teaching these types of principles.
sixstringsteve
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I totally agree sami. There's definitely a need, but I'll be the first to admit that I'm not the right guy to organize it. I have to slowly work my way up and learn as I go. The last noob run went well, but we didn't focus on much instruction. I figure if I slowly add more instruction each time, I can get better at planning these things. I'm not a very organized person, and I couldn't handle anything with vendors, or anything like that. I'm not saying it's not needed, but I'm the wrong guy to do it.
Someone else is welcome to step up and handle that though, I won't mind at all.
I don't pretend to know what I'm doing, i just like getting out and wheeling, and meeting new people. I've seen a lot of new members joining the forum lately, and my intentions were more to get them on the trail instead of just hanging out online. So my initial intentions were to get people wheeling, and teach 'em a little bit.
Now I'm slowly trying to transition it to a mix of instruction and wheeling. Someday I"d love for it to get to the level you and Kurt are talking about, it's just more than I can handle organizing right now.
I think it's a great discussion though. Who can make it happen that way, and how do we go about doing it?
Someone else is welcome to step up and handle that though, I won't mind at all.
I don't pretend to know what I'm doing, i just like getting out and wheeling, and meeting new people. I've seen a lot of new members joining the forum lately, and my intentions were more to get them on the trail instead of just hanging out online. So my initial intentions were to get people wheeling, and teach 'em a little bit.
Now I'm slowly trying to transition it to a mix of instruction and wheeling. Someday I"d love for it to get to the level you and Kurt are talking about, it's just more than I can handle organizing right now.
I think it's a great discussion though. Who can make it happen that way, and how do we go about doing it?