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[Tonkaman]

Wow. I guess, based on the arguments, it was only a matter of time.

Georgia residents can now claim embryos as dependents on state taxes

Georgia residents can now claim embryos as dependents on their state taxes, the state's department of revenue announced Monday.

www.yahoo.com

This has to be bait for people who might otherwise consider abortion.

 

[DAA]

Trumpism is already looking for strategies to dump Trump. His movement sees him as an albatross. I mean at the power level. They're starting to explore ways to sell that to the base. Least, that's how I'm reading the tea leaves at the moment.

Don't think the new face/voice is anywhere near settled yet. And that's a problem.

- DAA

 

[Cody]

Wow. I guess, based on the arguments, it was only a matter of time.

Georgia residents can now claim embryos as dependents on state taxes

Georgia residents can now claim embryos as dependents on their state taxes, the state's department of revenue announced Monday.

www.yahoo.com

Much like the massive number of heterosexual men and women that we all know have been married for the tax savings, now we just have to go get some preliminary ivf work done in order to sit on a lifetime of tax bennies

 

[Cody]

Trumpism is already looking for strategies to dump Trump. His movement sees him as an albatross. I mean at the power level. They're starting to explore ways to sell that to the base. Least, that's how I'm reading the tea leaves at the moment.

Don't think the new face/voice is anywhere near settled yet. And that's a problem.

- DAA

I think that is the major problem the more forward thinking Republicans (that might potentially be an oxymoron. Not sure yet) are trying to address. How long do you allow a 76 year old hold the power of your party hostage and draw lines in the sand between his views and those of other, potentially more moderate republicans that might have a better shot at relating to a younger demo? Unless Trump gets on the Clinton baby-meat diet, he's not going to get any younger.

 

[Spork]

I think that is the major problem the more forward thinking Republicans (that might potentially be an oxymoron. Not sure yet) are trying to address. How long do you allow a 76 year old hold the power of your party hostage and draw lines in the sand between his views and those of other, potentially more moderate republicans that might have a better shot at relating to a younger demo? Unless Trump gets on the Clinton baby-meat diet, he's not going to get any younger.

Having a parent that is 80, I'm thinking if you're that old you ought to be tending to your garden and watching the grandkids grow up. If you own some golf courses you ought to be using them...

 

[Hickey]

I like to see the rise in military service.

 

[Pike2350]

I guess the Dem's aren't as good at stealing elections as MAGAites think they are :stirpot:

 

[anderson750]

I guess the Dem's aren't as good at stealing elections as MAGAites think they are :stirpot:

^^^^^^That has to be the most irrelevant comment that could be made.

I don't think Dems are interested in stealing Republican primaries........they only have interest in the outcome of the general election.

 

[ID Bronco]

^^^^^^That has to be the most irrelevant comment that could be made.

I don't think Dems are interested in stealing Republican primaries........they only have interest in the outcome of the general election.

Here in Idaho there is a BIG push for Dems to switch parties for the Republican primary and then switch back after voting for the more "moderate" (see Rhino) candidate, they also have their people switch to Republican to run for office. This last primary one of the state guys switched less than 6 months prior. Nearly all his funding came from the Dems.

It is ABSOLUTELY happening on the state level in many areas. Arizona is one good example

 

[anderson750]

Here in Idaho there is a BIG push for Dems to switch parties for the Republican primary and then switch back after voting for the more "moderate" (see Rhino) candidate, they also have their people switch to Republican to run for office. This last primary one of the state guys switched less than 6 months prior. Nearly all his funding came from the Dems.

It is ABSOLUTELY happening on the state level in many areas. Arizona is one good example

My comment has to do more with the ballot harvesting and mail in voting that has been the big discussion. That is where the controversy of stolen elections comes into play.

The whole switching parties is even evident in Utah with John Curtis. He used to be a Democrat and switched parties to get elected. He acted much more like a SUWA Democrat when representing Utah on the Emery County Public Lands Bill

 

[Pike2350]

^^^^^^That has to be the most irrelevant comment that could be made.

I don't think Dems are interested in stealing Republican primaries........they only have interest in the outcome of the general election.

Except as I posted earlier...these candidates are already laying down framework to claim a stolen election. They are already claiming voting irregularities.

I am mostly just poking fun at how if they lose it's rigged/stolen or whatever.....but if they win it's the will of the people. They take Trump's playbook and set the seeds of doubt early just to cover their bases when the outcome is done. Trump is somehow churning out more and more MAGAites.

As I said earlier, if the Republican's were looking to other people outside of Trump for endorsements and stop putting him on such a pedestal, I think they wouldn't turn off so many moderates.....but then again they don't want any moderates anymore....anyone that is a moderate in their eyes is a Rhino, traitor or whatever name Trump decides to label them with.

 

[TRD270]

Except as I posted earlier...these candidates are already laying down framework to claim a stolen election. They are already claiming voting irregularities.

I am mostly just poking fun at how if they lose it's rigged/stolen or whatever.....but if they win it's the will of the people. They take Trump's playbook and set the seeds of doubt early just to cover their bases when the outcome is done. Trump is somehow churning out more and more MAGAites.

As I said earlier, if the Republican's were looking to other people outside of Trump for endorsements and stop putting him on such a pedestal, I think they wouldn't turn off so many moderates.....but then again they don't want any moderates anymore....anyone that is a moderate in their eyes is a Rhino, traitor or whatever name Trump decides to label them with.

Not a “MAGAite” as you’ve labeled but certainly love my country and am very displeased with its current state. Not affiliated with any party but agree with Shane on the moderates contributing to the downfall of this country however the extremists are certainly to blame as well. I despise Trump as a human but liked what he brought to Washington. It’s clear so did many other people. It’s also extremely clear the people to blame for all this nonsense certainly did not like what he brought, and have/are doing whatever they can to keep him and his mindset out. Our current president and speaker are the worst in my lifetime, change my mind. This country is in total chaos and tearing itself apart. Trump isn’t the answer but clearly neither is Biden. I think if Trumps policies were attached to a less vile human being they’d be a lot easier for people to swallow. But the likes of Nancy Pelosi and AOC have so many sheep brain washed it’s disgusting. I’m sure you/they say the same thing about me and trump though so the vicious cycle will continue until we end up in civil war and the more armed/life educated/not on the government teat side comes out on top

 

[Pike2350]

Moderates = fence sitters that got us here in the first place with all the she/her/it/they/them/him and "colonizer" bullshit. They just allow that overton window to keep moving on over... I have a feeling that pendulum is gonna make a shit storm on the way back and nobody will be surprised.

I'll back America first people over the people that protect pedophiles and puts kids in front of their sick book readings.

And here it is. Anyone that is moderate is somehow protecting pedophiles, groomers and, once again- whatever label Trump and his minions can throw out there.

We are a diverse country...you have to have some moderate views. One extreme or the other is a HORRIBLE thing for a country this big and this diverse.

I guess being fiscally conservative (including cutting defense spending, cracking down on tax loopholes for businesses, foreign aid, subsidies, etc) and socially liberal (gay marriage, equal rights, people being free to chose what to put in their bodies) is somehow protecting pedophiles.

It's this rhetoric that makes the country so divided. Cross the aisle sometime...get to know others views without a ingrained idea that they are "out to destroy America" It's sad that so many people on both sides look at it this way.

 

[Pike2350]

Not a “MAGAite” as you’ve labeled but certainly love my country and am very displeased with its current state. Not affiliated with any party but agree with Shane on the moderates contributing to the downfall of this country however the extremists are certainly to blame as well. I despise Trump as a human but liked what he brought to Washington. It’s clear so did many other people. It’s also extremely clear the people to blame for all this nonsense certainly did not like what he brought, and have/are doing whatever they can to keep him and his mindset out. Our current president and speaker are the worst in my lifetime, change my mind. This country is in total chaos and tearing itself apart. Trump isn’t the answer but clearly neither is Biden. I think if Trumps policies were attached to a less vile human being they’d be a lot easier for people to swallow. But the likes of Nancy Pelosi and AOC have so many sheep brain washed it’s disgusting. I’m sure you/they say the same thing about me and trump though so the vicious cycle will continue until we end up in civil war and the more armed/life educated/not on the government teat side comes out on top

I can agree with most of what you said here. I do think Biden/Harris are doing a HORRIBLE job. Do I think Trump would've done a better one given the circumstance....honestly NO I don't. I think we were in for a world of hurt regardless of what party had control of the White House. I am still not sure how moderates have contributed to the downfall. Generally speaking moderates or centrists can see both sides and will weigh things before making a decision. The extremes will not, and do not care about something UNLESS it lines up with their views....regardless of how practical or rational things may be. If it doesn't match, it doesn't matter what the consequences are. To me THAT is the problem with America.

It's funny how you can agree that Pelosi/AOC have so many sheep brainwashed...yet don't seem to think Trump is just as guilty of the same thing. Both sides are idiotic in this regard. It's like you HAVE to believe one side is bad and one is good. Some of Trump's policies were good, some, not so much. Right now, the world is in a shit storm and we have an incompetent leader. I think Trump would be struggling almost as much, however, there is no way to really know.

 

[TRD270]

I can agree with most of what you said here. I do think Biden/Harris are doing a HORRIBLE job. Do I think Trump would've done a better one given the circumstance....honestly NO I don't. I think we were in for a world of hurt regardless of what party had control of the White House. I am still not sure how moderates have contributed to the downfall. Generally speaking moderates or centrists can see both sides and will weigh things before making a decision. The extremes will not, and do not care about something UNLESS it lines up with their views....regardless of how practical or rational things may be. If it doesn't match, it doesn't matter what the consequences are. To me THAT is the problem with America.

It's funny how you can agree that Pelosi/AOC have so many sheep brainwashed...yet don't seem to think Trump is just as guilty of the same thing. Both sides are idiotic in this regard. It's like you HAVE to believe one side is bad and one is good. Some of Trump's policies were good, some, not so much. Right now, the world is in a shit storm and we have an incompetent leader. I think Trump would be struggling almost as much, however, there is no way to really know.

Moderates contribute because they want to stay relevant and not be cancelled by the outrage mob. This is why we have 3 bathrooms now and Jame Gumb/Lt Einhorn competing in “womens” swimming. Afraid to say no to anything that will get them bad press.

100% Trump has people brainwashed not disagreeing. The reach is just much further on the other side, just not as blatant or reported on.

 

[xjtony]

The idea that moderates are the problem is exactly why this country will not stabilize under the current system. Compromise and unity are how a country moves forward. Extreme left and right... Well you can look around the world to see how that works out. Everyone seems to forget that there are TENS OF MILLIONS of people who don't share their views on politics. The current state of "F*&k em we are the ones who are right" will never be the way forward, only the way to continuously divide the country (which by the way is exactly what those in power want). I read an article the other day claiming that the Convention of States (Article 5 of the Constitution) was a right wing ploy to take over the country. We have talking heads from both sides who are making policy and don't even understand the basics of how are government is supposed to work. AOC- "We have to take abortion rights out of the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court"... They literally just did that themselves. Greene-"America is a Cristian Nationalist country." Yup moderates are the issue.

 

[ID Bronco]

In my view, Republicans took a compromise approach for 20+ years and the Dems never backed off their positions, so the "Bipartisan" outcomes went further and further left. Now they are as Herzog said, way more left than the average guy in America. I say forget compromising if all it gets you is more movement left. Stick to your guns and move the needle further to the true middle ground we all seek and will likely never achieve.

 

[TRD270]

Also I hope Trump doesn’t run in 2024 because it will result in 4 more years of this disaster.

My hope is Ron DeSantis runs with Mark Robinson as his VP

 

[Pike2350]

In my view, Republicans took a compromise approach for 20+ years and the Dems never backed off their positions, so the "Bipartisan" outcomes went further and further left. Now they are as Herzog said, way more left than the average guy in America. I say forget compromising if all it gets you is more movement left. Stick to your guns and move the needle further to the true middle ground we all seek and will likely never achieve.

So let me ask...what movement "left" has happened?

@Herzog mentioned you have to have morals....but who's morals and what constitute morals?

I'm now talking more generic and belief systems....not so much political parties.

I will be very open about mine. I think the whole trans gender thing is ridiculous. How you someone was born physiologically at birth should determine the sports league they play in. It has nothing to do with the mental state of a person (while I do believe it is a mental "issue" I don't care if they want to transition, after making the choice for themselves and they are of legal age...I don't believe it needs to be "fixed") As for other "Morals that the country needs" what are they? Abortion, equal rights, vices, etc are the really the moral things I can think of. I think from a federal stand point on abortion, They need to determine when life begins. Once that's determined, it should be a states issue. Because, in reality, that is the basis for the argument. If it's life, it's protected under the constitution....but until it's a life, it really has no rights, and it does become a personal choice. So, once THAT is determined, then, let the states do it with what they will...but there needs to be a base decision made. Equal rights (gay marriage, trans right, etc) Again, if there is a federal applicable right that is granted to one person for something, then it needs to be protected for ALL people. Marriage for example....there are federal rights given to married couples. Those rights need to be passed on to any 2 people that legally enter a "marriage" in the eyes of the .gov. Because the federal government has set this up, it needs to be protected on a national level. How could a state decide a marriage is not allowed, and then federal benefits would not be granted? This is where the basis of my argument would come from. If there was no spousal protection, then the gay marriage debate would be void IMHO. Vices....again, people should be able to make their own decisions. drinking, gambling, drugs, prostitution, etc. should all be legal (upon legal age) People should be allowed to put in their body what they wish.....and it is really no one's business. The rules for doing/causing things that put others at risk is different.

So, how have we moved left according to your views?

Expanding a little. I am all for smaller .gov I believe the .gov has grown WAY beyond what it was meant to be and should be. There is WAY too much regulation, too much spending, too many rules that do NOTHING but to control people. Taxes should be lower (so should subsidies, entitlements, military spending etc.) I think we should have a balanced budget amendment. So i feel I am FAR more "right" when it comes to fiscal policy then almost ANY Republican politician currently serving (outside of Ron Paul....not Rand)

 

[anderson750]

nobody has the balls to stand up and say "Women don't have dicks."

Irony in one sentence