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02SE
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Houndoc
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The Constitution sets requirements for president. Far from new to have someone removed from the ballot for not meeting those requirements.
Has he been 'convicted' of anything at all to actually meet those requirements?
Nothing says "Democracy" like being scared that the majority of voters will vote for the guy you hate.
And that's fine, because Democracy is retarded anyways.
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This is correct, not the arbitrary ruling of the Maine Secretary of State or the capricious reading of the 14th Amendment by the Colorado Supreme Court.
This nonsense by the political Left to use extra-Constitutional means to remove Trump from ballots will be struck down by the US Supreme Court here soon. Probably by a unanimous 9-0 ruling, too. Had anyone wanted to use the 14th Amendment to keep Trump off the ballot, the appropriate way to do so was impeachment and then conviction in the Senate; which they unfortunately, in my opinion, failed to do in 2021.
Right here, right now the only way to prevent Trump from winning the Republican nomination is to vote or caucus for someone else.
Houndoc
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I will just leave it (and get back to my previous habit of trying to stay out of the political discussions) at saying post Civil War they did not hold trials to convict anyone of insurrection, so the argument that the 14th Amendment only applies if Trump is convicted of a crime doesn't hold up.
I know my personal opinion also doesn't hold any legal value, but encouraging his supporters to march on the Capitol where they came prepared for violence and calling for the murder of the VP seems like a reasonable standard to disqualify someone to run for president.
Ok, so by that logic then pretty much every democrat candidate should be disqualified by the mere fact that most of them supported the "mostly peaceful" riots that burned down buildings all over America in 2020. Cool!
I've seen the video footage of the "insurrection" and it was more like a guided tour with some rowdy assholes outside. Insurrection, LOL
glockman
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There was no insurrection. The evidence is very clear that the feds and the DC police were the prime drivers behind the guided tour. No police were killed, no politicians were injured unless they tripped over themselves running away.
It is alarming to me people actually still believe any media source. The "good people on both sides" is such a ridiculous example. The dude says there is no room for racism or white supremacy for 15 minutes then the media picks one line and people have zero clue there was anything else said.
02SE
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Right, but most of the people who were convicted of insurrection we also members of either the Confederate government or the military, so there really wasn't much need to hold trials since there was documented evidence that they had risen up against the United States of America.
I'm not going to wade into the swamp of retardery that is the January 6th debate. But what I will say, again, is that the proper, constitutionally legal way to bar Donald J. Trump from holding office in the United States again using the 14th Amendment was to impeach and convict him. The Senate failed to do so, so here we are. You want someone else on the Republican ticket, head to your local GOP Caucus event in March and persuade your fellow constituents that Utah should select someone with better credentials than him.
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RustEoldtrux
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So I drove through the Denver area several times in the past 2 months, and I didn’t see a single Biden / Harris bumper sticker in that democratic stronghold. I realize that the last election was over 3 years ago, but I would expect the “winning “ party to be more excited about their accomplishments.
Houndoc
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Look at that not through a lense of partisan politics.
How does anyone become informed without the media? That basically leaves person experience as the only source of knowledge which is seriously limiting.
Best approach in my opinion is to get information from multiple news sources, with different political leaning.
Not trolling, just have a different political view point than the vocal majority here and I don't do well at keeping it to myself, even though that could be wise at times.
I think most people from both parties recognized that Biden has been a poor president and is a lousy candidate for reelection.
Houndoc
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Don't worry, I will be at the Republican caucus.
As to impeachment, a couple thoughts there.
First, it will always be a very political, partisan process so doubtful the Senate will ever vote to convict a president after the House impeaches them.
I think convicting Trump post Jan 6 would have been the best thing for the GOP. 14th Amendment aside it would have blocked him from any future elected office.
Trump is very divisive, both within the party and the country in general. Their chances of winning in 2024 would have been extremely high given Biden's poor performance and lack of popularity had other Republican candidates been able to campaign without Trump overshadowing them.
Second, Congress is not the place to determine a major Constitutional issue. We all have seen areas they get in wrong and the courts have to step in.
Relying on Congress to determine who is or is not Constitutionally able to run for office does not seem like a good idea.
Spork
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anderson750
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Until the FBI and other 3 letter agencies comes clean with how many under cover operatives they had in the crowd like Ray Epps, it will not change my belief that the deep state added enough fuel to the fire to take this from a march to the Capital steps to entering the building. It is very clear on the released video that Capital Police and other officials let people in and even escorted them around.
Here is my
thought of the day........our 3 letter agencies are as much or more of insurrectionists as any civilian that was there that day.
Here is my
thought of the day........our 3 letter agencies are as much or more of insurrectionists as any civilian that was there that day.
Houndoc
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This Ray Epps?Until the FBI and other 3 letter agencies comes clean with how many under cover operatives they had in the crowd like Ray Epps, it will not change my belief that the deep state added enough fuel to the fire to take this from a march to the Capital steps to entering the building. It is very clear on the released video that Capital Police and other officials let people in and even escorted them around.
Here is my
Ray Epps (military veteran) - Wikipedia
anderson750
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Wikipedia is not exactly a truthful resource, but I’ll entertain your tomfoolery. The Ray Epps that the DOJ has only recently charged after 3 years but has never been arrested when he is on video inciting people. The Ray Epps who the FBI director will not confirm or deny if he has ties to a 3 letter agency. The Ray Epps who has been reported to have worked for the CIA.
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Re: Trump and 14th amendment. While it seems wild to think this might stand with the Supreme Court, per this dude, who isn’t a left wing activist judge, it’s a possibility
www.politico.com
And it’s simply a fact that if a Democrat had done what Trump did on January 6th, the crowd around here would be losing their minds. Trump is not overtly trying to overthrow democracy, but he doesn’t mind it getting effed a bit if it means he can be seen not to lose.
On the other hand, watching the left melt under the idea of Trump winning in 24 is quite pleasing, so maybe I’m also okay with democracy getting effed a bit just to see it happen?
‘The Opposite of Politics’: A Conservative Legal Scholar Says Kicking Trump Off the Ballot Is ‘Unassailable’
J. Michael Luttig explains why he thinks the 14th Amendment should prevent Trump from running for president again.
www.politico.com
And it’s simply a fact that if a Democrat had done what Trump did on January 6th, the crowd around here would be losing their minds. Trump is not overtly trying to overthrow democracy, but he doesn’t mind it getting effed a bit if it means he can be seen not to lose.
On the other hand, watching the left melt under the idea of Trump winning in 24 is quite pleasing, so maybe I’m also okay with democracy getting effed a bit just to see it happen?
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I don't like Trump, I think he's an egotistical ass hole and I wish he would just go dark for a decade. However his presidency highlighted the depth of the establishment. Major media on both sides blatantly lied repeatedly to defend their entrenched stranglehold on information. I should have emphasized I mean major media. There are lots of independent media sources now and they are the ones I review just as you have stated.
I don't know what more evidence you need than the FBI tapping Trump illegally in addition to Whitmore case to show that the feds are actively manipulating people to sway major political opinion. There are hours of court testimony and evidence proving it.