UURRRGG tearing sh$# up

[1\4elliptic toy]

Kudos to you! no matter if it was 1 person or 100 people, keeping the canyons clean is a big part of keeping the trails open, I admire that you stepped up to help rectify a situation (instantly) that you yourself did not create.....now ask your club to have a meeting and do a couple things to further your enjoyment of the trails we all love.

(1) Like Tacoma said: adopt some kind of stringent land-use ethics in your club's reason for existing. This is huge, it tells new members from day one that your club is not only about wheeling but helping as much as possible with land use issues, then the new members follow by example and learn from day one when they join the "lost boys" that it is a club that is involved with keeping trails open and will not allow that kind of abuse from any of the members.

(2) Push your members to join the U4 or blue ribbon or any of the many great organizations fighting to keep our public lands just that...OURS!

(3) Monthly organized trail cleanups or organize your members to part of a bigger solution and meet up with Steve's group efforts or any of the other great clubs along the front and do service projects, Its Important! The forest service loves to see huge groups show up to say "were here and willing to do what it takes"

(4) Do just what Strange cowboy did and stand up for what your fighting for, You can without conflict try to educate the ones around you...After all he said something to your group because he was fighting for what he believes in..

The list can go on forever.....keep up the good work...it helps!

 

[phatfoto]

Hmmm, too bad a short story and pics to the papers wouldn't do any one any favors... The anti OHV crowd wouldn't take it as a good faith effort...

 

[strangeKowboy]

XJELMO: Thank you if your club has more guys like you maybe your reputation will change. I know you guys are young but you have already stood up and showed that your "willing" to learn and help. So once again THANK YOU!

 

[allterrain]

Todd Adams and I went up to Forest Lake this morning hoping to run into some Lost Boys and help out. Now I see we missed it, but the place did look pretty darn clean.
All we saw were a couple of sweaty guys on dirt bikes and a bunch of FJ Cruisers

Way to go xjelmo99! Your youthful energy and testosterone mixed with judgement and a little wisdom will make the Lost Boys an even better club! Just remember that we are all ambassadors out there and people do watch.

I hope to run into you guys up there sometime. Keep up the good work.

 

[ALF]

Good work Lost Boyz!!

 

[xjelmo99]

Thanks guys I really appreciate the support..

and allTerrain sorry I missed you, I will also be heading up their this monday after school which is about 3:00 for another cleanup job if you wanna join just let me know

Thanks, Jared

 

[kbjames]

AllTerrain,

I was one of those cruisers up there yesterday...Were you driving the Jeep? It was good chatting with you guys and learning a bit more about the area.

That was my first run up to Forrest Lake and I thought its a fun little trail.

 

[cruiseroutfit]

Way to go dude!

 

[scoutabout]

I was pointing out the propensity for do-nothing "clean-ups" from "concerned" 4x4 users. "We're doing a clean-up at Rattlesnake and Constrictor Saturday!" I still maintain that running a trail and picking up trash along the way isn't a clean-up, it's a run. Kudos to this kid for hitting the main road and cleaning campsites. I'm sure SAMI will be at your next clean-up planned in advance. He loves to help.

Kris K, I'm sure you've sent in your membership now that an asshat like me isn't involved in U4. What happened to all the people who swore they'd never join while cruiseroutfit was president? There wasn't a rush of new members when he left either. What an f'n shock. More talk, as usual.

Cody, you are obviously an intelligent person. However, you have no idea what you're talking about on this subject. You don't. Membership increase of 1400%, revenue increase of 400%. U4 sits on a $13K surplus today. I think there was $600 in the bank at my first board meeting in 2005. Our message and method was fully scalable, I'm just not interested in carrying it anymore. When I stopped pursuing memberships full time, our overall numbers have either dropped or stayed static. There are a few U4WDA board members who contribute greatly, but many who don't do sh1t. Seth does a great job on the magazine, but who do you think wrote half the articles, did all the editing, and pursued all the advertising for the last 2 years? Maybe if a few more intelligent and hard working individuals would have been able to donate some of their time, we could've spread the load around enough to avoid losing Kurt and myself. But you guys all know better, so I'm sure it's better off without us mucking things up. If you have some suggestions or cristicism, I'm sure someone would love to hear it. When you're stirring sh1t, you get this response. But think about what's being said instead of thinking about your next witty comeback. Feel free to post your witty comeback, but consider what's being said.

I am officially no longer associated with U4WDA. All of those who disliked our methods over the last few years should join today.

And for kbjames, go DIAF.

 

[Tacoma]

If you're not associated, in any way shape or form, take U4 out of your sig.

For the record you and Kurt did a great job AFAIC, and I can understand the burnout.



Apathy is going to get all these trails closed. There are enough 'wheelers to keep them all open, but no one wants to lift a finger.

 

[scoutabout]

If you're not associated, in any way shape or form, take U4 out of your sig.

Good point, I have some new Eric Russel-isms.

For the record you and Kurt did a great job AFAIC, and I can understand the burnout.

I doubt that you can. You have to do something to get burned out on it.

Apathy is going to get all these trails closed. There are enough 'wheelers to keep them all open, but no one wants to lift a finger.

Yep.

 

[Tacoma]

Good point, I have some new Eric Russel-isms.

He's a freakin' goldmine.

I doubt that you can. You have to do something to get burned out on it.

There's the Steve I miss so much.

 

[xjelmo99]

scout, my family has a dunes trip planned saturday, it might not go through if not i will be there to help with the cleanup, and as for quiting u4 I really dont think you should but its you choice

 

[Tacoma]

Too late, he already did.

 

[scoutabout]

scout, my family has a dunes trip planned saturday, it might not go through if not i will be there to help with the cleanup

What clean-up? Del Albright is one of the sweet, big-grin "leaders" of the 4x4 community, and he advocates a very good rule to wheel by. For every hour you spend enjoying recreation on public land, you should spend an hour providing service for that land. It's the 1 to 1 rule. My own informal surveys show that it's more like 1 to .01. I wish that was an exaggeration.

But what the **** could I possibly know.

 

[scoutabout]

There's the Steve I miss so much.

Yes, I'm a big asshole. It's very true.

I'll call out SRN also. Total bullshit. Great guy, knowledgeable guy, but complete lack of follow through. SRN, more than almost anyone, knows the goals and message of U4WDA. To say that you couldn't be an effective PR guy because someone didn't write it all out for you is bullshit.

It's a standard line from many would-be volunteers. "I can't volunteer because I don't have a step-by-step instruction manual on exactly what to do. It's someone else's fault that I can't get involved. So and so was rude, so I didn't want to help." Get yourself involved. Find out how you can help. Take over for all the "inept" leaders that could succeed if only we read your online comments.

I shouldn't say more since I'm only spewing assholery.

Good job to the kid from the Lost Boyz for taking the time to pick up trash and having the courage to remove used condoms from the forest. There should be more activities like this from everyone involved in 4x4 recreation on public lands. That's a good example to follow.

I'd love to be wrong about my predictions for motorized rec on public lands. Prove me wrong and expose me for the asshole I really am. Get out there and contribute with money and time.

"If we want to find out the truth about anything, we have to ask MoabJeeper." - Eric Russell

 

[Kris K]

In no way was my post directed at Kurt or Steve personaly( yes it was Steve's post that sparked it). I was just agreeing that if someone was bashing you, you would most likely not want to be associated with that person or organisation. I know if I went to a shop, and all I got was how crappy I'em or how junky my rig is I would not want to associated with them in any way (just an example).

Yeah I've brought this up before when Kurt was pres, and still haven't joined. For me it's just pure laziness on my part.

I know it dosen't help out any but I've pointed a lot of people towards U4. I've even help Meat take the UVSC group out to the snakes to tell them about U4 when there didn't seem to be anyone else avalable. I had no idea Meat was going to be there intell that morning. I thought I was on my own, and had to explain to them what U4 is and what they do (dang glad Meat showed up). Yeah I guess I could pay my $10 ( didn't know it was that cheap actually) but I still won't beable to help out at any clean ups, trails rides or other events intell my work schedule allows it but what ever you can do helps.

I don't really care who the pres of U4 is dosen't matter to me as long as there purpose stays the same.

 

[scoutabout]

I don't really care who the pres of U4 is dosen't matter to me as long as there purpose stays the same.

Right, you're not going to join regardless. I guess as long as U4WDA fights for your rights, you're fine with that. Thanks for all the support.

 

[Kris K]

Right, you're not going to join regardless. I guess as long as U4WDA fights for your rights, you're fine with that. Thanks for all the support.

Think what you want, i guess I should just run out tomorrow and join because someone jumped me on an online board. I know what U4 is, and what there pupose is. Well worth the $10 even if I don't wheel again which is a very good posability. I'll still be doing outdoor activitys which U4 will be a big part of.

 

[scoutabout]

Think what you want, i guess I should just run out tomorrow and join because someone jumped me on an online board. I know what U4 is, and what there pupose is. Well worth the $10 even if I don't wheel again which is a very good posability. I'll still be doing outdoor activitys which U4 will be a big part of.

I don't have to "think" anything. Your statements and actions make it pretty clear. All talk, no action. Call it apathy, laziness, or whatever. I call it the primary cause for the death of motorized recreation on public land.