waynes world & snakes

[utah340six]

yes meat you have to play there games.

iknow 18 years ago the south side of piont of mountain wasd just a place to fly rc sail planes and hand gliders what is it know??

 

[utahsnowmobiler]

Im saying if we tell blm about the sign it will take forever to get a new. lets call blm and ask them if we could build a sign seeing how no one on here wants to do anything including you meat so instead of sitting here and making a fight lets do something about it.

 

[Meat_]

Which Board Meetings are you referring too? U4WDA meetings? Have you been to a U4 meeting? We get alot of things done at a meeting... and when you get 20+ active folks in a board meeting, things are surely to be debated... otherwise it would be a commune and Steve J. would pass down our orders. Without an organized front we would have a bunch of do-gooders running around doing things as they see fit... like cementing rocks to the ground and building signs on BLM property. I speak from experience that undermining the BLM will cause a trail to be lost much quicker than abuse.

I think he read my sig and thought that I typed that at him.

 

[Ford Prefect]

**** that.

You stack a rock to get up, YOU move it when you're done.

I deleted out the name of who wrote this, because it is unimportant.

No offense to you, nor anyone else, but that is one of the most hideously poorly thought out things I have seen anyone say on here.

I do not stack, nor have I ever, people have put one under for me once or twice, but never at my request, and only after I was already in a bit of a pickle. Now, after reading this thread, I find that I DID take an illegal bypass, but I did not know it at the time.

Back the the point

I do not see you out there with your shovel back filling the holes you dug trying to get up one of those rocks. The same principle applies here. If you are going to say that those who stack should unstack when they are done you must also agree that when WW was only a two foot rock and people's tires started digging out the bottom of the climb those people needed to be out here with a shovel filling the hole they just dug. Or any where else on any other trail. (not unlike in golf replacing one's divots)

I am honestly just trying to provide a little perspective here. Besides, rock stackers are far better than those scum of the earth people who would wrap a winch around a tree to get up over a rock they can not climb. Look at the ones on top of the water fall/ eagles nest they are both trashed because of jerks doing that. (hence the rather recent need for a winch point.)

This pile, by the way, was clearly NOT "DUMPED" you do not "dump" cement and get it to stack up four feet tall, it would oose out to a six inch deep eight foot wide puddle. This was intentional, good or bad, it was not dumped like an old wash basin as many would have us believe.

If you want to do something productive see if the BLM or whomever would agree to use that already large pile of cement and rocks and stick a pipe in it with a sign asking you not to stack.

 

[utahsnowmobiler]

Unfortunately its not that easy... you could theoretically go build it however you like, but the BLM has regulations on their signage, right down to the placement of the notices. The proper way to do this is to work through the BLM not around them.



Which Board Meetings are you referring too? U4WDA meetings? Have you been to a U4 meeting? We get alot of things done at a meeting... and when you get 20+ active folks in a board meeting, things are surely to be debated... otherwise it would be a commune and Steve J. would pass down our orders. Without an organized front we would have a bunch of do-gooders running around doing things as they see fit... like cementing rocks to the ground and building signs on BLM property. I speak from experience that undermining the BLM will cause a trail to be lost much quicker than abuse.

yes i have been to one and it sounded like a bunch of republicans debating...

 

[cruiseroutfit]

...iknow 18 years ago the south side of piont of mountain wasd just a place to fly rc sail planes and hand gliders what is it know??

Homes? Homes and more homes. Oh yeah, but the hang-glider folks were pro-active enough to secure themselves a park for the future. Seriously though, the land at the point of the mountain, or Corner Canyon, or around Rose/Butterfield Canyon is and has been predominately private property for the last 50+ years. I used to ride up at the point 3-4 days a week until the landowners started either building homes or Geneva started eating away the hillside. Regardless it wasn't lost to a cement pile... it was lost to make a cement pile We will never be able to stop trail closures that happen on private property, that is unless we start coming up with millions of dollars to purchase said property. The day will come that sections of SITLA land will be up for sale... and places like Dump Bump, Lions Back, Lower Hells, Proving Ground, Little Moab, etc will be lost forever, sad but true.

 

[Meat_]

...what is it know??

Private property, just like it always was.

oh and meat, maybe you should think about what you say before you say it.....

I did think about what I said, did you?

I do need to be careful at what I type, because I'm a U4 board member now and unfortunately one of the things you have to give up is the right to a personal opinion that is separate from the Association.

 

[utahsnowmobiler]

No offense to [the left nameless person who wrote this], nor anyone else, but that is one of the most hideously stupid things I have seen anyone say on here.

I do not stack, nor have I ever, people have put one under for me once or twice, but never at my request, and only after I was already in a bit of a pickle.

Back the the point

I do not see you out there with your shovel back filling the holes you dug trying to get up one of those rocks. The same principle applies here. If you are going to say that those who stack should unstack when they are done you must also agree that when WW was only a two foot rock and people's tires started digging out the bottom of the climb those people needed to be out here with a shovel filling the hole they just dug. Or any where else on any other trail. (not unlike in golf replacing one's divots)

I am honestly just trying to provide a little perspective here. Besides, rock stackers are far better than those scum of the earth people who would wrap a winch around a tree to get up over a rock they can not climb. Look at the ones on top of the water fall/ eagles nest they are both trashed because of jerks doing that. (hence the rather recent need for a winch point.)

This pile, by the way, was clearly NOT "DUMPED" you do not "dump" cement and get it to stack up four feet tall, it would oose out to a six inch deep eight foot wide puddle. This was intentional, good or bad, it was not dumped like an old wash basin as many would have us believe.

i agree and that is what im trying to say but some people like it harder and easier so lets go back to you stack them you unstack them... i will admit it there has been a few times where i stacked well know lets all start unstacking

 

[cruiseroutfit]

yes i have been to one and it sounded like a bunch of republicans debating...

To one meeting? We have 12 a year, give it another chance... We get more done for 4x4'ers in the state than any other group, wish I could say it was more but we are all volunteers. Come be President, you can run the meetings the democrat way and we'll all sit back and listen, I promise Seriously though, plenty of BOD member positions sitting vacant.

 

[Meat_]

...I do not see you out there with your shovel back filling the holes you dug trying to get up one of those rocks. The same principle applies here. If you are going to say that those who stack should unstack when they are done you must also agree that when WW was only a two foot rock and people's tires started digging out the bottom of the climb those people needed to be out here with a shovel filling the hole they just dug. Or any where else on any other trail. (not unlike in golf replacing one's divots)...

The people who stack rocks are the same people who dig out the dirt at an obstacle in a futile attempt to climb something they are not built to climb. I currently am in a vehicle on 33's with no lockers so out of respect for the people who have dumped 10~40K into their purpose built hard core rock crawlers I stay away from the VERY limited number of trails that are any sort of challenge to them.

 

[scrogg]

Julie Pallette at the BLM has given U4WDA verbal permission to do "trail maintenance." Wayne's World is not on BLM land as far as anyone is able to tell us, at last discussion about it with her.

So does this give the U4 the necessary permission to fix the downed sign if a crew was organized to go do it?

 

[utahsnowmobiler]

The people who stack rocks are the same people who dig out the dirt at an obstacle in a futile attempt to climb something they are not built to climb. I currently am in a vehicle on 33's with no lockers so out of respect for the people who have dumped 10~40K into their purpose built hard core rock crawlers I stay away from the VERY limited number of trails that are any sort of challenge to them.

im at maybe 5 grand im running 35s with a 44 rear and a 30 front spooled and i go more places then my friends that he spent 20 gs on so dont give me that.... and dont tell me you have never stacked a rock or dug out dirt....

 

[utahsnowmobiler]

So does this give the U4 the necessary permission to fix the downed sign if a crew was organized to go do it?

yes if we get permission from blm

 

[Ford Prefect]

OK OK EVERYONE GET OVER THE HOT HEADEDNESS HERE

I mean really... take a deep breath, and relax.

Passion on an issue is wonderful, but it needn't be aimed at one another.



By the way, Utah340six.

I would love to go out there with you on Wed night, but I have a meeting at the hospital from 6 until 10pm every Wednesday.

I bet you would have no problem getting a two wheel drive truck up there, shoot, you might even be able to bring your trailer up there if you wanted, to haul that out.

What I wonder if you might consider.

If we can contact that land owner, perhaps we could break up the cement, stack it (about two feet high) in front of that illegal bypass and then coat it with a new bag of cement thus blocking it off rather easily? Shoot you would only have to move the thing over eight feet from one side to the other. Finish it off like those mine entrances are done like you showed me?

Might be an idea worth doing. I can supply a few trowels you can use to make it look like a professional finish job.

You may want to rent an air compressor (I have no idea what that would cost) and drag it up there and run a jack hammer, it may be really hard to sledge hammer that stuff out.

 

[cruiseroutfit]

So does this give the U4 the necessary permission to fix the downed sign if a crew was organized to go do it?

Absolutely... and if its not fixed by the time we host a big cleanup/service project out there, we will surely address it. I hate to make it wait, but the sign honestly isn't worth sending a bunch of manpower out there just to rebuild a sign and head home... I would rather have it be done along side a bunch of other projects. If someone(s) have time to do it in the meantime, awesome! We have a growing list of items we plan to address that day, the sign would be an easy task in addition to the others. We need to get through this weekends service project (which I hope everyone here is planning on attending) and we will get rolling on the details for the 5MP one. If anyone has some time to work on the project or spearhead a certain aspect of the project, feel free to volunteer

 

[Meat_]

im at maybe 5 grand im running 35s with a 44 rear and a 30 front spooled and i go more places then my friends that he spent 20 gs on so dont give me that.... and dont tell me you have never stacked a rock or dug out dirt....

Never. If I can't climb it I leave, if my wheels start to dig dirt I change my attack.

There will be a day when I break in the middle of a trail and have to stack to get out, that day will end with me removing any rocks I stacked.

 

[utahsnowmobiler]

Never. If I can't climb it I leave, if my wheels start to dig dirt I change my attack.

There will be a day when I break in the middle of a trail and have to stack to get out, that day will end with me removing any rocks I stacked.

well good.... know instead of arguing lets fix some ****

 

[Ford Prefect]

The people who stack rocks are the same people who dig out the dirt at an obstacle in a futile attempt to climb something they are not built to climb. I currently am in a vehicle on 33's with no lockers so out of respect for the people who have dumped 10~40K into their purpose built hard core rock crawlers I stay away from the VERY limited number of trails that are any sort of challenge to them.

Respectfully Meat_

I have seen plenty of guys with big jeeps digging out. If that did not happen I could still make it over a lot of those trails that I now can not.

Not saying you are, but clearly everyone digs one time or another, intentionally or not, the point is still the same.

I think that snowmobiler said it really well.

He just said remove them when you see them stacked, for all of us. If you stack then remove them, but if you did not stack them, and you want them gone, then do it. No biggie.

I think that many of us have moved large boulders that have rolled off the mountain side and ended up right in the middle of the trail. It is a very similar thing.

Like I said, we need to just relax, and not assume that we are attacking one another. Rather, have a civil conversation on here, like we would anywhere else.

Cheers

 

[utah340six]

know that we have the ice off.
i will see if blm will give permision to put sign back up

any know if toole office needs to or can main office say ok.

 

[cruiseroutfit]

...any know if toole office needs to or can main office say ok.

You might have a real hard time finding a phone number for a Tooele office, to my knowledge there isn't one Here is the SLC FO info

Let us know what you find...