why o why?????//

[Tacoma]

That's borderline with the belief of somebody being in direct contact with god right now and is his spokesman sorta speak. Silly!!!

...oh boy.

 

[mbryson]

...oh boy.

Different than in old testament times?

 

[Tacoma]

no, no.. I was just chuckling thinking of the enormous number of religious folks that could be offensive to. TRNDRVR's got a knack.

 

[mbryson]

no, no.. I was just chuckling thinking of the enormous number of religious folks that could be offensive to. TRNDRVR's got a knack.

He's got his beliefs. I respect that. You've got yours. I respect that. I've got mine. I respect that.

 

[Tacoma]

I respect it all.

 

[TRNDRVR]

TRNDRVR's got a knack.

Whaaaaat???

 

[jackjoh]

Now if we could just get some of this enthusiasm to help keep roads open it would be a cinch.

 

[ID Bronco]

I would give credit to the men and women of all colors and faiths that shed their sweat, blood and tears in the early years to build this country into what it has become. It was man that suffered through long hard winters, droughts, died on the battle fields and faced many other struggles, not God. Giving credit to a supreme being takes away from what we; men, women and children accomplish.

I too would give credit to all the men and women of all colors and faiths that shed their sweat, blood and tears in the early years to build this country into what it has become. They were amazing people and deserve our respect just like the sodiers of today and patriots of all times.

Giving credit to a supreme being takes away from what we; men, women and children accomplish

This is where we will have to respectfully agree to disagree.

You know, it's not just the 4th that's usually not celebrated when it falls on a Sunday for obvious reasons, but I also have noticed that when Halloween falls on a Sunday it too is celebrated on Saturday. And before you bag on my comment, I know that the 4th is a "holiday" and Halloween isn't. It's just that when anything happens to fall on a Sunday it seems to me that the fricken world would come to an end if it was ever celebrated on the day it fell on if that day happened to be Sunday.

Hell, you can't even buy a car in Utah on a Sunday. That's just wrong in my book.

Just so you know, I highly doubt god had anything to do with the founding of this country. It may have been founded on certain religious beliefs, but I doubt god was sitting around the round table "divinely" instructing them on how it needed to be done. That's borderline with the belief of somebody being in direct contact with god right now and is his spokesman sorta speak. Silly!!!

That too is up to your beliefs and probably better suited for a theology forum but here we are. Silly is an interesting way of putting it.

FWIW, the founding fathers were predominantly Deist, so divinely or not, it wasn't necessarily a Christian inspiration.

Or, I suppose if you look at it as the Church of England using a divine mandate to ostracize protestants to the extent that they were willing to give up everything and risk major illness to sail across the world thus laying the framework of a protestant Christian nation that wanted a separation between church and state, then I do suppose in that way a divine Christian inspiration could have been the catalyst for the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.....if you believe that sort of thing That definitely wouldn't be my analysis.

Was that way off topic?

I certainly didn't expect it to fall in line with your analysis Cody, but I do get a kick out of them! I have studied the Forefathers to some extent and the entire Diest idea is tough to document since there is alot of quotes and such the other way. I have heard this many times.

I sure am glad Independence Day isn't on Sunday next year.

 

[CJ Matt]

ID Bronco,
If you are so willing and quick to give credit to God for the good then also be sure to blame him for the bad.

 

[Tacoma]

Whaaaaat???

Hey, I didn't say I didn't like it.

 

[GOAT]

FWIW, the founding fathers were predominantly Deist, so divinely or not, it wasn't necessarily a Christian inspiration.

thank you. i was waiting for that



obviously this whole debate isnt going away, and isnt going to change anything at all. we as a species cant move forward because we're way too busy looking back.


_just_let_go

 

[SmokinCamel]

When celebrating a holiday that is on a national level, I feel it is very important to do it as the rest does. There is a reason a flag is flown at half mast. Is to show respect and power for the cause. 100 flags compared to a few million is a sign of that power of respect. Whenever I see a flag flown at half mast I wonder what happened. When celebrating what our country stands for and to remember the lives lost for it. I stand with the nation and say thanks.
I remember the evening of 9/11. After a speech, All of congress sang God Bless America. All the people watching that moment witnessed a moment when our country stood together.

 

[TRNDRVR]

I remember the evening of 9/11. After a speech, All of congress sang God Bless America. All the people watching that moment witnessed a moment when our country stood together.

That's because it was on a Tuesday.

 

[TJDukit]

This is fun.

 

[Ogre Palowakski]

More please

 

[jackjoh]

I hate you, you hate me, we both love 4 wheeling, so lets get married.

 

[JoeT]

Geeeez I got to celebrate the 4th from Friday to Monday. Like I'm going to complain about that. Everyday I set off fireworks, even did fireworks at the inlaws on sunday for 3+ hours. Hell I've been lighting off a few still every night even. Nobody is telling you that you can't celebrate the 4th on Sunday. I'll light off a few extras tonight for anyone that didn't get enough on the 4th.

 

[JL Rockies]

I'm from the Godlless east coast and I believe UT rocks just the way it is.... and I didn't mind the extra day off either!

 

[CJ Matt]

I hate you, you hate me, we both love 4 wheeling, so lets get married.

Do we need a group hug?

FWIW, the founding fathers were predominantly Deist, so divinely or not, it wasn't necessarily a Christian inspiration.

Or, I suppose if you look at it as the Church of England using a divine mandate to ostracize protestants to the extent that they were willing to give up everything and risk major illness to sail across the world thus laying the framework of a protestant Christian nation that wanted a separation between church and state, then I do suppose in that way a divine Christian inspiration could have been the catalyst for the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.....if you believe that sort of thing That definitely wouldn't be my analysis.

Was that way off topic?

Wow KSL added to the discussion:
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=11477410

More please

OK

 

[Unimog]

This is all interesting, but I'm just thankful to live in a place where I can celebrate independence on whatever day I choose or all weekend if I want to in pretty much whatever way I like. I have the freedom to act on my beliefs as long as they don't infringe on others, even if someone else finds my deeply held beliefs silly.

If I feel strongly about the day my community celebrates anything, I also have the freedom to get involved with that community and rally others who have concerns similar to mine and get it changed.

I live on a street where no more than a few hold my same beliefs, but we all get along fine, keep an eye on each other's stuff and kids, and put up with, if not celebrate, our differences.

Thanks to all of those who have been willing to put themselves or loved ones in harms way to protect these freedoms.