SLC97SR5
IDIesel
- Location
- Davis County
I'd like to reserve a spot in the 1st group.
Mineral Basin camping trip 9/10/10
- Thread starter sixstringsteve
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sixstringsteve
Well-Known Member
- Location
- UT
Cool. Do you have at least 33's or a locker? If so, you got it.
Ima9er
Crazy Man
- Location
- Sandy, Utah
it's a very fun and awesome scenerio up there. i just ran mineral basin today and had a blast, still getting used to a manual trans. but in my rig i did all the hard stuff with oh so much ease. and still had fun.. so just asking where are y'all thinking about camping at? i made it all the way up to the gate where snowbirds trams are.. is there anything more further? or did i hit the end?
sixstringsteve
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- Location
- UT
you hit the end. That's where I was thinking of camping, right in front of that gate. There's room for about 20 rigs there. We'll need someone to bring firewood. It can't have nails or screws in it (AF Canyon policy). It'll be a great night. Feel free to bring the family if you want. I'll be bringing my two brothers and hopefully my wife.
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01XJ
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- Location
- Pleasant Grove!
You kind of contradicted your self on this! You stated that you need 33's and at least one locker to roll with your group right? So he post up that he is running 36"'s and locked front and rear and you tell him since he has not wheeled often he may want to go with the second group?? Thats BS if you ask me just because he has not wheeled much!! but yet he still meets your requirements and you tell him to hit the second group
Locked front and rear on 36's you could stick my 2yr old in it and she could drive it thru, that thing will make very short work of the "rock garden". I may be wrong but i find it BS to post up a "come all" camping trip then throw out restrictions on specs and the amount of people. Then you post up we will make a second group for the not so modified people which kind of changes everything and allows the less modified people to come out and now this group also has restrictions? So im running 3" lift with 32's and locked in the rear so if i wanted to roll with the first group i would be shut down due to a tire thats a couple inches shorter I could see if we were doing a trail like constrictor out at 5mile and you didnt want to help 20 stock rigs over every obstacle. But the rock garden is seriously nothing! I have gone thru it in 2 different xj's lifted 3" or less with 31's open f/r and went thru just fine and broke nothing and didnt get any body damage! And i seen a few other post in this thread they have done the same! have fun on your trip hope all goes well for you guys.. Or maybe i could make group 3 and HELP the ones who are stock get thru so we can all come Because i dont mind
sixstringsteve
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- Location
- UT
You kind of contradicted your self on this! You stated that you need 33's and at least one locker to roll with your group right?...So im running 3" lift with 32's and locked in the rear so if i wanted to roll with the first group i would be shut down due to a tire thats a couple inches shorter
No, you misunderstood. the requirement is 33's OR a locker. You have a locker, you'd qualify for group 1. I recommended that 9er run with group two to make it more enjoyable for him. He mentioned he struggled with a clutch, so I figured he'd prefer a slower pace. I don't care what group he runs in, I was just making a recommendation for what would be best for him. Now that he's run it, it sounds like he'd be better suited for group 1.
Look, I can't predict everyone's driving ability, or the capability of their rig, or how long it's going to take. I'm trying to set up a fun run, and I admit that I don't have it down to a science. But when I plan these with zero restrictions, we get too many people on the trail, and the people in back sit for an hour before getting to each obstacle. That's not fun. That's what happened to me at southwest crawlfest and it wasn't fun. Our group was too big and a 1 hour trail took all day.
I have gone thru it in 2 different xj's lifted 3" or less with 31's open f/r and went thru just fine and broke nothing and didnt get any body damage! And i seen a few other post in this thread they have done the same! have fun on your trip hope all goes well for you guys.. Or maybe i could make group 3 and HELP the ones who are stock get thru so we can all come
The issue isn't whether a stock vehicle can get through, most stockers can do just fine. The issue is the size of the group. I have no problem with a 3rd group with zero restrictions, I think that's a great idea. And I didn't post the restrictions on the 2nd group, the trail leader for the 2nd group did.
Like I said before, we did this trail a month ago, and left it open to all vehicles. Every vehicle with us had at least a lift, and it still took us over an hour to get through the rock garden. I'm sorry people feel like they've been excluded. If only 2 people were coming, I'd be open to stockers and anyone who wanted to get through, and I'd take my time to help them through. But 15 well-built rigs will still take a lot longer than 4 stockers on this trail. I just felt bad last time when half the group turned around and left because it was taking so long, and we didn't have any stock vehicles.
Since my point isn't clear enough, I'll repeat it:
Yes, stock vehicles can complete this trail. Nobody's saying it takes a locker or 33's to make it through this trail. it doesn't.
The issue is how long it will take with a big group, regardless of vehicle specs.
I would be a terrible trail leader/planner if you had 3 hours of parked car time on this trail. Any trail is a lot faster with built vehicles, and while my goal isn't to get the trail over with as quickly as possible, it is to keep people from having to park their cars for an hour. So, the big group (group 1) has restrictions to reduce standing around and waiting time.
I may even run the trail twice, once with group 1 and once with group 2 so I can get to know those everyone. I love spotting others and helping stock vehicles get through tough stuff. I don't love sitting in my car for an hour while 15 vehicles ahead of me try and take the hard line through the rock garden and get hi-centered.
If you don't like the restrictions, plan your own outing with no restrictions. I've planned enough trips to know that no-restrictions doesn't work with a big grou. But at least try to understand why I'm putting restrictions. It's not to make people feel bad that their rig isn't huge, and it's not to have some elitist group that consists of only big rigs. Look at Easter Jeep Safari. They all have restrictions to keep the trail moving faster. I've seen Hell's Revenge done in a stock dihatsu rocky, but there's no way they'd let it tag along on the EJS weekend, simply because of the size of the group.
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01XJ
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- Location
- Pleasant Grove!
Ya my bad i miss read the first post forgive my ignorance:-\ I dont mean to sound like a jerk off (EDITED for the reason it isnt my trip and not my rules and i shouldnt Bit&^ about it) I will shut my pie hole now :/
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sixstringsteve
Well-Known Member
- Location
- UT
Nah, you're cool XJ. I've always respected you on here, and I appreciate you trying to understand. I'm a people pleaser. I never want to offend people or make enemies, that's why I always post up my trips here so I can meet new people. I'm just trying to learn how to be a better organizer and make sure it's a fun trip for everyone. Believe me, when my rig is finally drivable, I'll be out every weekend, with no restrictions on our groups
Hope you can make it XJ.
Hope you can make it XJ.
Wow! this forum never ever lets me down! The best part of all the crying,moaning and complaint's is instead of doing you own run, with you as the leader posting it up, planning it, dealing with all the vehicles and there owners you would rather talk crap about how steve is setting it up. I am lifted and locked and very capable, most of the rigs in my club are on 31's with open diffs, instead of getting hurt over the matter, we formed group 2 with restrictions as well. All im saying is Get over it, get off your computer and get on the trail.
Before people post up crap about what im saying, just think a little bit on why steve is doing it this way. AFTER ALL THIS IS HIS RUN HE IS SETTING UP..
Before people post up crap about what im saying, just think a little bit on why steve is doing it this way. AFTER ALL THIS IS HIS RUN HE IS SETTING UP..
sixstringsteve
Well-Known Member
- Location
- UT
Tomtom, what club are you in? Is your club going to join us?
SLC97SR5
IDIesel
- Location
- Davis County
sixstringsteve
Well-Known Member
- Location
- UT
sweetness. You're in SR5.
Man, I may have to come hang with the second group as well now, sounds like a blast.
Man, I may have to come hang with the second group as well now, sounds like a blast.
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sixstringsteve
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- Location
- UT
i can grab some wood at my cabin with tom and a few other ppl that dont mind hauling up some wood, and i agree with tom second group is going to be a riot
I'm happy to haul wood, but I will be in the first group. Maybe I can get it from you before then.
sixstringsteve
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- Location
- UT
it's ok, that's okay if you could just bring some when you come that would be great
